Grandstand: Mansfield

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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby Harps62 » February 14th, 2018, 11:49 pm

Exile 1976 wrote:The vast majority of keepers 'belt it upfield' , just look at Pipe & Butler, very rarely looking for a quick ball off Day, most of the time with their backs to him.
We'd all love to be able to play like Man City & Barcelona but not everyone can.

The only one who does try and start from the back is Mickey and sometimes Ben W but that's probably taught him at Brighton.
Trying to think one of our recent home games and the keeper was trying to do a Spurs on us.
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby SJG99 » February 15th, 2018, 8:02 pm

Harps62 wrote:You are so correct - (Not)
What we need to do is keep the ball "as far away from our goal as possible rather than at the feet of our players"
I cannot believe that.
No point to "keep possession as it wouldn't actually succeed at this level"
Gee Wiz.
Sorry but that is unbelievable.
We are talking about full time professional players here.


I'm talking about the specific instance of the keeper passing the ball to defenders and passing the ball on the ground from defenders through midfield up the pitch. If you think that isn't a high risk strategy given the built-in defects that all players at this level have, then I don't know what League Two football you've been watching.

Whether it's what we should be doing or not, it's what we have been doing, in the main... would be interesting to see if anyone's done similar analytics investigation for the lower leagues, probably don't have the footage to even tag the data and there's almost certainly not the money to justify the investment from the companies that actually market the data.
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby Cornish Exile » February 15th, 2018, 8:27 pm

SJG99 wrote:
Harps62 wrote:You are so correct - (Not)
What we need to do is keep the ball "as far away from our goal as possible rather than at the feet of our players"
I cannot believe that.
No point to "keep possession as it wouldn't actually succeed at this level"
Gee Wiz.
Sorry but that is unbelievable.
We are talking about full time professional players here.


I'm talking about the specific instance of the keeper passing the ball to defenders and passing the ball on the ground from defenders through midfield up the pitch. If you think that isn't a high risk strategy given the built-in defects that all players at this level have, then I don't know what League Two football you've been watching.

Whether it's what we should be doing or not, it's what we have been doing, in the main... would be interesting to see if anyone's done similar analytics investigation for the lower leagues, probably don't have the footage to even tag the data and there's almost certainly not the money to justify the investment from the companies that actually market the data.


I agree completely. Joe Day is fully aware of the inability of some defenders to pass the ball accurately and chooses to opt for distance.
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby Percy plunkett » February 15th, 2018, 8:54 pm

We done it under JE and a bit under WF.From RB to both CB's to LB,so slow and tedious,they would push up on us and we would either welly it to no one or lose the ball and put ourselves under pressure.Just let Day wack it,we won't score messing near our own box but must concede one.
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby Harps62 » February 15th, 2018, 9:36 pm

Think the consensus then is
Whack it and hope.
Marvellous.
No need for Wayne to coach them.
"Joe wack it mate"
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby SJG99 » February 15th, 2018, 9:43 pm

As I say, I'd be interested to know if there's any analytics data out there for this level (and if there is, who's creating it and who's using it).

There's loads of it for the Premier League but the footballing standard is night and day even compared to the Championship, football's an O-ring game and at this level everyone's potentially a critical failure point on an off-day, so it must be quite tricky to build any kind of assumptions when players' skill levels vary so much from the relative predictability of Premier League.

I'd LOVE to see some xG stats for League 2 though, both for teams and for individual players, compared to the overall expected goals data, if only to see how players at different levels score and whether worse finishers are offset by worse keepers and defenders, for instance, or statistical proof if being a solid defensive unit is more valuable in L2 than the Premier League.
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby SJG99 » February 15th, 2018, 9:49 pm

Harps62 wrote:Think the consensus then is
Whack it and hope.
Marvellous.
No need for Wayne to coach them.
"Joe wack it mate"


I think you're rather oversimplifying the argument.
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby Harps62 » February 15th, 2018, 10:00 pm

SJG99 wrote:
Harps62 wrote:Think the consensus then is
Whack it and hope.
Marvellous.
No need for Wayne to coach them.
"Joe wack it mate"


I think you're rather oversimplifying the argument.

I hope so or its time to give up
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Re: Grandstand: Mansfield

Postby SJG99 » February 15th, 2018, 10:32 pm

Harps62 wrote:
SJG99 wrote:
Harps62 wrote:Think the consensus then is
Whack it and hope.
Marvellous.
No need for Wayne to coach them.
"Joe wack it mate"


I think you're rather oversimplifying the argument.

I hope so or its time to give up


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