He stopped near enough to the ball to be able to kick it, but I'd argue it's mid-runup at any point before he does kick it.

George Street-Bridge wrote:He stopped near enough to the ball to be able to kick it, but I'd argue it's mid-runup at any point before he does kick it.

Having kicked the ball how is he going to feint?

What I mean is for a penalty to count, a player should have to run directly at the ball and kick it. No stopping, no breaking your stride to shimmy.

Agreed on that. Though I doubt I’ve seen a penalty in the last ten years that, applying the letter of the law, wouldn’t need to be retaken for some transgression or other.

Which is why VAR is such a stinking pile.

JonD wrote:Agreed on that. Though I doubt I’ve seen a penalty in the last ten years that, applying the letter of the law, wouldn’t need to be retaken for some transgression or other.

Which is why VAR is such a stinking pile.

I agree. Also the more variants you take out of the game the more predictable the game becomes.

JonD wrote:Agreed on that. Though I doubt I’ve seen a penalty in the last ten years that, applying the letter of the law, wouldn’t need to be retaken for some transgression or other.

Which is why VAR is such a stinking pile.

The penalty decision wasn't down to VAR, that was the refs call

George Street-Bridge wrote:He stopped near enough to the ball to be able to kick it, but I'd argue it's mid-runup at any point before he does kick it.

It's one thing to "feint" in the run up to a penalty kick . That's gone on for years and our very own John Aldridge was one of the first to use it in an FA Cup Final for Liverpool .

However , Son came to a complete STOP in his run up which has always been against the rules as far as I know .

Ref was completely right to disallow it , but I was expecting him to have to re-take it ??!

Jason Bowen was another to employ that technique. It was a change he adopted after having a kick saved (superbly) against Fisher at Dulwich Hamlet. His new style became very reliable.

As for the ref's actions last night, as he booked Son I'm assuming that he stopped play as soon as the offense was committed, deeming that his ending the run up was the end of the penalty taking.

excessbee wrote:Jason Bowen was another to employ that technique. It was a change he adopted after having a kick saved (superbly) against Fisher at Dulwich Hamlet. His new style became very reliable.

I was at that game a 3-3 all draw. My recollection is that he used the technique and messed it up.

G Guest wrote:VAR is the emperor's new clothes. People are afraid to say it's rubbish, which it is. It's ruined rugby and it will do the same to football.

VAR is being used in the Bundesliga and MLS without any issues, so I would suggest that the people operating it are to blame not the system.

daftasfxxx wrote:

JonD wrote:Agreed on that. Though I doubt I’ve seen a penalty in the last ten years that, applying the letter of the law, wouldn’t need to be retaken for some transgression or other.

Which is why VAR is such a stinking pile.

The penalty decision wasn't down to VAR, that was the refs call

But it was a refereeing error. VAR should have intervened.

Though my point was VAR would theoretically have had to intervene in pretty much every penalty that’s ever taken.

Edit: I see there’s some support on here for the ref’s decision so maybe I’ve jumped the gun.

Edit2: VAR was consulted re the penalty. Hmm.

Edit3: yes, I now agree that Son stopped. Is that different to a feint? I admit I’m struggling with the rules here.

penycwm county wrote:

G Guest wrote:VAR is the emperor's new clothes. People are afraid to say it's rubbish, which it is. It's ruined rugby and it will do the same to football.

VAR is being used in the Bundesliga and MLS without any issues, so I would suggest that the people operating it are to blame not the system.

That’s interesting. I’ve heard the exact opposite re Bundesliga. No idea how true that is.

penycwm county wrote:

G Guest wrote:VAR is the emperor's new clothes. People are afraid to say it's rubbish, which it is. It's ruined rugby and it will do the same to football.

VAR is being used in the Bundesliga and MLS without any issues, so I would suggest that the people operating it are to blame not the system.

VAR has had numerous problems in the Bundesliga. Here's just one report ...

https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/v ... bundesliga

They should give each manager one challenge per game all this stopping is pathetic that would solve it

You win the challenge you keep it you lose tough

One extra challenge extra time