Stan A. Einstein wrote:

Jimmy Exile wrote:
hi stan. very arrogant of you to demean a working mans job, you speak like a true Tory.

my grand dad used to say that the dangerously thick people are the ones who think they are clever. and in your attempt to try and belittle me and my brains, you again have made yourself look like the very thick man you are.

2,000,000 divided by 250 games is £8000.

The profit on a pint is £1.

so you think that over 10 years our crowd drinks on average 8000 pints per game.

At an average home crowd of about 2000 that's 4 pints each for every man, woman and child for every game hahahahahaha.


Let me help you with some more accurate figures. let little thick me help you.

I reckon we sell an average of about 800 pints a game. At £1 per pint profit. Over 250 games over 10 years that's about £200,000. which is 20k a year. Which is nothing.

stan, another little thing my grand dad taught me. if you are going to try and be clever, make sure you are completely sure you are right.

Unfortunately you have done the opposite again. like the redwood thread, Like the other threads, you've made yourself look really really silly.

Have a lovely weekend Stanley, thank god you were a lawyer and not an accountant lol

Ps thanks for giving me such a good laugh with your arrogant stupidness lol

Jimmy,

I know that you believe that by insults you hope to achieve a reaction. You will forgive me no doubt for not reacting. People can read what you say and what I say and make their own minds up.

I used to pull pints myself. Being a socialist I chose to get an education and move on. I sincerely hope that you choose to do the same.

lol at your deflection tactics. I politely asked you a question and YOU called me thick and insulted my job like a true Tory.

you think we sell 8000 pints of beer a match. you insulted someone who challenged this and called them thick. you then demeaned a working mans job.

8000 pints a match lol lol lol.

have a lovely weekend stan but stay away from the calculator lol

anyone know how much baramber made at spytty.

Jimmy,
Carry on mate. But if you believe you're going to upset me I am afraid you are mistaken. However in light of your intemperate language I will not be responding to you again.
Stan.

lol stan always flounces when someone makes him look stupid.

8000 pints sold at every County game lol lol lol

My guesstimate would be closer to 800... say one fan in 12 drinking at RP, each guzzling about 3 pints per match on average..

3500 /12 = 291 x 3 pints = 875

newgroundrodney wrote:My guesstimate would be closer to 800... say one fan in 12 drinking at RP, each guzzling about 3 pints per match on average..

3500 /12 = 291 x 3 pints = 875

Away fans tend to drink at the ground. Also bar amber was packed out when our crowds were averaging about 700. Then add the loss of hospitality opportunities. Believe me the ancillary earnings at a football club should not be underestimated.

Stan A. Einstein wrote:

newgroundrodney wrote:My guesstimate would be closer to 800... say one fan in 12 drinking at RP, each guzzling about 3 pints per match on average..

3500 /12 = 291 x 3 pints = 875

Away fans tend to drink at the ground. Also bar amber was packed out when our crowds were averaging about 700. Then add the loss of hospitality opportunities. Believe me the ancillary earnings at a football club should not be underestimated.

Mind you, lots more fans drink away from RP in the pubs in town and round about. The Dodger alone is about as full as Bar Amber was. All that money NOT going over the bar at RP....and that's just one pub.
The Marquee never has loads in, it just LOOKS packed.. The other bars are just walk up. Out of around 340 away fans, I'd guess only around 50 of them drink...

newgroundrodney wrote:My guesstimate would be closer to 800... say one fan in 12 drinking at RP, each guzzling about 3 pints per match on average..

3500 /12 = 291 x 3 pints = 875

Yes 800 odd if we are lucky. Means losing 20k in profit. so if stan is right on 75k a year for the rent then we are paying less than 100k. that's a bargain.

still lolling at stan thinking we sell 8000 pints a match hahahaha

Stan A. Einstein wrote:

Amberexile wrote:

Stan A. Einstein wrote:Back to the Accounts. They appear short of the Trading figures with the income and expenditure. Without such we can,t really compare. We only made a profit the year before from receiving the Connor Washington monies. We can,t run our affairs on hoping for a transfer windfall or a once in 20 year cup run. Lets see the Income and expenditure accounts. For example what are staff costs, what profit did the shop make, what are we paying to the landlords. All good questions, we're not being told.

According to the 'lease' £75,000 pa.

Which aspects of the overall match day costs are included in that figure?

County pay £75,000. Rodney Parade Limited, presumably now the WRU also have the bar takings. The agreement allows for County to reclaim a 'reasonable' percentage of the bar takings, one of Mr Redwood's complaints was these monies were never reclaimed.

Looking at the agreement match-day costs, stewarding etc, appear to be picked up by County

On the face those basic facts and compared to what other clubs pay, it looks like a bargain.
Where can I find a copy of the agreement to be able to judge this better for myself?

I have a copy as it was contained in the trial bundle. You could ask the club to provide you with one. Or else next time I'm in the UK I can let you see it at a County game.

The deal strikes me as not a bad one. However over 10 years with loss of bar taking that is probably about £2.000.000 it is costing us. And of course we don't have security of tenure post 2022.

Travelling back from the Barent surrender at the moment. What strikes me as the simplest and quickest way is that I'll PM you my email address and you can email me what you have.

To put some perspective on our losses perhaps we should take a well run club like Accrington Stanley as an example. This is what their chairman Andy Holt said when he was asked about the possible abolition of the league cup in January 2017.

'In the competition this year we probably had revenues of about £40,000 from the Bradford City game, £140,000 from the Burnley match and £170,000 from the West Ham match. To put that into context, the total we take from season tickets is about £80,000 a year, and our losses can sometimes be around £500,000 a year. Without that cup revenue our finances just don’t stack up. The competition might be of little significance to the bigger clubs but it’s massive for us.

£500k a year, really? That makes our losses look quite remarkable when you also consider the management pay offs, the postponements and the dwindling attendances. My view, and one I would think most rational supporters share is that we are no different to any other 'small' league 2 club that rely on transfers or cup runs. Personally, I am just bewildered that a minority of fans expect us to canter to the play offs on gates of 2,500/3,000, whilst also making a yearly profit with one of the lowest budgets in league 2.

People can talk about the Washington money all they want, but we had it and the board spent it primarily on trying to stay in the league. A turn over of 3 managers and 36 players is obviously going to make a dent in the finances, but to have kept that money in the bank and accepted relegation would have been totally negligent. It is debatable that the trust model is viable in the football league, let alone in the conference, so it would only have been a stay of execution. They had to gamble and back the manager, If we had have kept that money, last years accounts would look a lot healthier but we would be analysing them from the nether regions of the conference. Furthermore, the very same people currently lambasting the directors for spending that money would now be lambasting them for not spending it on new players, when we had the chance.

Alan G Bryant wrote:To put some perspective on our losses perhaps we should take a well run club like Accrington Stanley as an example. This is what their chairman Andy Holt said when he was asked about the possible abolition of the league cup in January 2017.

'In the competition this year we probably had revenues of about £40,000 from the Bradford City game, £140,000 from the Burnley match and £170,000 from the West Ham match. To put that into context, the total we take from season tickets is about £80,000 a year, and our losses can sometimes be around £500,000 a year. Without that cup revenue our finances just don’t stack up. The competition might be of little significance to the bigger clubs but it’s massive for us.

£500k a year, really? That makes our losses look quite remarkable when you also consider the management pay offs, the postponements and the dwindling attendances. My view, and one I would think most rational supporters share is that we are no different to any other 'small' league 2 club that rely on transfers or cup runs. Personally, I am just bewildered that a minority of fans expect us to canter to the play offs on gates of 2,500/3,000, whilst also making a yearly profit with one of the lowest budgets in league 2.

People can talk about the Washington money all they want, but we had it and the board spent it primarily on trying to stay in the league. A turn over of 3 managers and 36 players is obviously going to make a dent in the finances, but to have kept that money in the bank and accepted relegation would have been totally negligent. It is debatable that the trust model is viable in the football league, let alone in the conference, so it would only have been a stay of execution. They had to gamble and back the manager, If we had have kept that money, last years accounts would look a lot healthier but we would be analysing them from the nether regions of the conference. Furthermore, the very same people currently lambasting the directors for spending that money would now be lambasting them for not spending it on new players, when we had the chance.

A supporters owned club cannot sustain those type of loses. You can not compare us to accrington.

ALAN G BRYANT : I won't quote the entirety of your post, but you say our crowds are "2500/3000" ....that's not at all accurate. Our average gate just for HOME fans is higher than your highest figure, then add to that the approximately 320 average AWAY fans and our attendances are around 25% up on the middle of the range you quote.
Last season the average number of County fans at home games, IIRC, was 2531....this season that figure is closer to 3100 , an increase in the order of 23% or so....
Many of our gates this year are UP on the corresponding game against the same opponents last year.....
Season Ticket sales up.... gates up... we are actually about two games AHEAD of last season, in as much as, it took two games longer last year to achieve the same total as this year so far....

I'm not sure why you think we have "dwindling attendances".....that's one thing we DON'T have.

newgroundrodney wrote: The Marquee never has loads in, it just LOOKS packed.

Perhaps if you could hear yourself think above the INCREDIBLY LOUD MUSIC in there, they might get a few more punters and they might stay longer. I’d happily drink there, and I actually like the music they play - but if I can’t chat to my mates easily, I’ll go to the pub instead. I can’t fathom why the powers that be haven’t turned the ruddy volume down by now.

Kairdiff Exile wrote:

newgroundrodney wrote: The Marquee never has loads in, it just LOOKS packed.

Perhaps if you could hear yourself think above the INCREDIBLY LOUD MUSIC in there, they might get a few more punters and they might stay longer. I’d happily drink there, and I actually like the music they play - but if I can’t chat to my mates easily, I’ll go to the pub instead. I can’t fathom why the powers that be haven’t turned the ruddy volume down by now.

Your sounding like an old man now!! Next you will be saying they dont make music like they used to and all they do these days is shout they dont sing anymore

Bush hit the nail on the head. A SUPPORTERS OWNED CLUB cannot sustain losses like that. If we continue with the current model then fans have to accept that, sooner or later, our time will come. If football clubs were run like normal businesses then it could work, but for as long as they’re run like as play things for entrepreneurs we will stand little chance in the long run.