whoareya wrote:

County ranger wrote: The Operational Chairman does not appear to have the support or confidence of the fans and this needs to change either the individual or the individual needs better communication / pr to bring fans on side the £30k pa from trust members may then grow.

You've written this after an open fans meeting with the chairman in attendance but with no questions if this kind raised at all.

Point taken, which given the noise on this board and in the SWA comments at times I find surprising. Maybe I should not take too much notice of posts here but my point is the noise leaves an uneasy feeling about the regime.
For the the record I have no opinion on him other than a view that he has been part of the revival of the club so wonder why he appears so unpopular hence my comment about his pr

Also I would argue that the Board don't do enough with the supporters.

There are regular meetings (which aren't greatly attended).

The club regularly gains awards for hospitality/inclusion.

People will whinge and moan as everyone is different and people want different things.

Some were/are horrified that matchday programs may go.

Some say the music is too loud/quiet.

Some like/dislike the new Spytty suit.

Some like black/amber shorts.

Some want Frank to stay/go.

Etc...

It's difficult to please the majority and it's clear that the Board are doing that with the support base.

The fact that directors are calling supporters and asking for help and support as well as getting an understanding of the experiences and skills that we can offer is great and well overdue.

whoareya wrote:

Alan G Bryant wrote:It is not a great post , it is another post from someone that simply does not grasp the concept of owning a football club. The club have not forced the rewards and benefits because they have not needed to, the windfalls and cup monies have ensured that, so why ask supporters for money that is not needed yet, could you imagine the outcry? All they are highlighting is that without these windfalls we will need to cough up to compete in league 2 or look at other viable options.

To put it another way, If you own a car, you have to find the money for the repairs, the same with the house you own, so why should we expect to own a football club for £10 yet complain when we have to pay for the repairs? It is our responsibility to find the money as we currently own the football club.

We can argue all day about the why's and wherefores of directors making this decision or that decision, but we need to remember that in 3 years we have not been asked to pay for any repairs, I cannot think of many other league 2 club owners that can say the same.

Ask any engineering manager and they'll tell you there are two kinds of maintenance - planned and reactive.

Planned maintenance can be managed as the parameters are known, the costs are stable and you don't get too many nasty surprises.

Reactive maintenance usually occurs when the machinery is run without attention until it fails. You then have to scramble around hoping you can find someone to fix it whilst hoping you can find the money to pay for it.

Sound familiar ?

I get your point but football is like no other business. For instance, how can you plan for a serious injury, a postponement , an abandonment , a poor managerial choice, a fine, or increased staging costs from the WRU?

County ranger wrote:

whoareya wrote:

County ranger wrote: The Operational Chairman does not appear to have the support or confidence of the fans and this needs to change either the individual or the individual needs better communication / pr to bring fans on side the £30k pa from trust members may then grow.

You've written this after an open fans meeting with the chairman in attendance but with no questions if this kind raised at all.

Maybe I should not take too much notice of posts here but my point is the noise leaves an uneasy feeling about the regime.
For the the record I have no opinion on him other than a view that he has been part of the revival of the club so wonder why he appears so unpopular hence my comment about his pr

I couldn't agree more..... and those who are most vociferous are conspicuous in their absence today. ........

I have been doing a lot of reading of peoples views over the last few hours about the information released after the 'open meeting' in regards of the way forward for our club.
In a ideal world , IMO the supporters trust idea would be a great way to continue but I am sure like me many would struggle to pay monthly towards the monies need for it to continue in the capacity needed. After you take out the costs of attending games ,(many go home and away) could many afford an extra £20/30 + on top ? I know I can spend upwards of £400 per month ( if we have an average of 5 games per month) for myself and my lads to attend as many games as we can. Could I afford extra ? I very much doubt it .
IMO the way forward is similar to the Swansea idea where business men invest and the supporters hold a small percentage of control and have some say at board meetings. I cant see that there is any other way around it given we only have a hard core of 3500 fans ( based on last seasons average gate).

I have also read what Kevin Ward has said in regards to us playing at Rodney Parade and the viability / costs etc... As I said we only have a hard core of 3500 (approx) . Could we afford to have our own stadium with such figures ??
I have no idea of the costs the WRU charge us but running our own stadium would cost a great deal more ,IMO when you take everything into account...Can we afford that ?
As I said I have no idea how much they charge us but I wouldn't like to guess what it would cost to run our own stadium taking everything into account. The deal we get off them includes ground maintenance , stewards , hospitality, etc and we get to pay after the event is held is how I read it, Is that correct ? If as I understand it , last season their were rumours going around that we were months behind in paying RP Ltd , so they could have played hard ball and evicted us........The best way is to try and work with them and try to minimise the additional costs by getting a successful team winning games and increasing the crowds to cover it that will come with it

All good points Neil - no one should begrudge or judge anyone with budget constraints and other priorities in life, but surely there are more of the 3,000 regulars out there who could chip in more than tenner a year?
I agree with you on the ground issue as well - if we are questioning tge cost of paying rent how would we justify, finance and sustain anywhere of our own?

Seems our Board and the WRU are poles apart - sure there's a bit of business posturing going on, but I can't help but think SP is still a possibility. .....

What was the £7k figure quoted recently?...was that per match, or per month?....and has it now doubled to £14k?

newgroundrodney wrote:What was the £7k figure quoted recently?...was that per match, or per month?....and has it now doubled to £14k?

Running your own stadium would IMO cost a lot more than the figures you quote with all that comes with the deal we have . Even if that's £14k per game

newgroundrodney wrote:What was the £7k figure quoted recently?...was that per match, or per month?....and has it now doubled to £14k?

If it was £7,000 a month = £84,000 a year.

If it was £14,000 a month = £168,000 a year.

If it was £7,000 per game = £161,000 a season.

If it was 14,000 per game = £322,000 a season.

I can not see the WRU increasing the rent for the use of Rodney Parade when Newport County already had an agreement NRC. I'm not 100 percent sure what agreement Newport County had with NRC for the use of Rodney Parade until 2023 or whether it would still stand when WRU bought Rodney Parade from NRC unless in the contracts they said that they would be allowed to look at the rent again after a five years period (I have nothing to do with any of the clubs "Newport County, The Dragons or Newport Rugby Club" Nor am I a solicitor).

I am far more concerned by we seem not to have a training ground with pre season starting in a months time. The fact we have only give a proposal to the FAW does not full me with confidence.

The Newport wrote:

newgroundrodney wrote:What was the £7k figure quoted recently?...was that per match, or per month?....and has it now doubled to £14k?

If it was £7,000 a month = £84,000 a year.

If it was £14,000 a month = £168,000 a year.

If it was £7,000 per game = £161,000 a season.

If it was 14,000 per game = £322,000 a season.

I can not see the WRU increasing the rent for the use of Rodney Parade when Newport County already had an agreement NRC. I'm not 100 percent sure what agreement Newport County had with NRC for the use of Rodney Parade until 2023 or whether it would still stand when WRU bought Rodney Parade from NRC unless in the contracts they said that they would be allowed to look at the rent again after a five years period (I have nothing to do with any of the clubs "Newport County, The Dragons or Newport Rugby Club" Nor am I a solicitor).

If those figures you quote are anywhere near the correct figures we are being charged think what it would cost the club if it was our own ground and the costs it would cost to stage a match.
You have Stadium groundsmen/women , Stewards, match day workers ( Bars , hospitality, food outlets , turnstiles etc) , lights, cleaners ( to clean dressing rooms and the stadium( - got to be fair , I dont think I have seen much rubbish around the game when I arrive at the ground at 2.15pm they do a good job of cleaning the ground if the dragons play on Friday night)---
( add the cost of running a Stadium , rates , water rates , electricity , gas etc )

Add that all up and £7k a match isn't that much really - if its true if everything is included in that one off payment

I know its in a total different ball park to us because of their crowds and the standard of the ground but Wet Spam are paying £2,500,000 to rent the Olympic Stadium for all the same benefits we get at RP.... ( £131,500 per game )

Skate Exile wrote:I am far more concerned by we seem not to have a training ground with pre season starting in a months time. The fact we have only give a proposal to the FAW does not full me with confidence.

Hi Skate Exile
There are no problems with the training ground - this remains at Spytty Park with the team having use of other facilities (pool, gym, 3G etc) at NISV.
The issue we’re trying to resolve is replacing the former Bar Amber, which has been used as the training base (ie where the players eat, relax & socialise together).

neilcork68 wrote:I know its in a total different ball park to us because of their crowds and the standard of the ground but Wet Spam are paying £2,500,000 to rent the Olympic Stadium for all the same benefits we get at RP.... ( £131,500 per game )

The correct figure is £131,578.94736842p so it not far from the £131,600.00.
I bet there revenue is far greater than they have to pay towards the rent for a full season.
It would be interesting to get hold of their accounts. But having said That you cannot compare Newport County with West ham united they are not in the same league for a start.

Kevin Ward wrote:

Skate Exile wrote:I am far more concerned by we seem not to have a training ground with pre season starting in a months time. The fact we have only give a proposal to the FAW does not full me with confidence.

Hi Skate Exile
There are no problems with the training ground - this remains at Spytty Park with the team having use of other facilities (pool, gym, 3G etc) at NISV.
The issue we’re trying to resolve is replacing the former Bar Amber, which has been used as the training base (ie where the players eat, relax & socialise together).

Hi Kevin
Would it be possible to organise some sort of fundraising over the following season. I understand that one of the directors use to be involved with fundraising for the academy awhile back.

What sort of figures are we talking about to replace the building at Newport Stadium?
One more question. Wouldn't the building insurance cover the cost or wasn't it insured?