I'm unsure if anyone else would put themselves up for electionMr Figo wrote:I doubt there will be a re-election process after the WRU matter is resolved as this would have to be instigated by the BOD - that's like the Prime Minister calling a General Election when they are unsure about whether they have a majority.
Agree with parts of this but a little one sided - it is a two way street - 'show us the respect we deserve' is always going to cause a tension if that is the stance taken.Reading the vitriol aimed at the Board, the snipping and in some cases insinuations of misappropriation- you could argue that we are getting 'the respect that we deserve'.Jackorias wrote:I scanned through that video and so the toxic rumours amount to a scant transfer possibility and a run-in with the WRU over rent negotiations is the claim?
Just to play devil's advocate here; could it be that the board are just getting on with it and that this ticket office / shop / fixture uncertainty is simply the fallout from tough negotiating and refusing to give away any intentions by publicly commenting?
Don't burn me at the stake for that one though, merely seeing both sides.
As for the NDA, is there any proof that there are any in play at board level? Just curious as I may have missed news of that.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm immensely discontented by the sheer lack of communication between fan, trust and directors from day one of this enterprise and believe that the odd flippant meeting simply doesn't cut it. The fans bailed out this club to a high tune and deserve better than the continual silence.
"Come on then, step up and have a go then, they're only volunteers" you cry. Go and ask Rob Santwris how that worked out for him. Hardly an advertisement for fan inclusivity, engagement and transparency.
I don't wish to elect replacement directors tit-for tat in light of recent resignations, I wish for an entire re-election process across the board once this WRU saga has been settled. Justify your position, show us your body of work, tell us your vision and show us the respect we deserve.
You cannot simply run a fan-owned club and keep us in the dark.
+1.Trigger wrote:Great post Jack, my thoughts exactlyJackorias wrote:I scanned through that video and so the toxic rumours amount to a scant transfer possibility and a run-in with the WRU over rent negotiations is the claim?
Just to play devil's advocate here; could it be that the board are just getting on with it and that this ticket office / shop / fixture uncertainty is simply the fallout from tough negotiating and refusing to give away any intentions by publicly commenting?
Don't burn me at the stake for that one though, merely seeing both sides.
As for the NDA, is there any proof that there are any in play at board level? Just curious as I may have missed news of that.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm immensely discontented by the sheer lack of communication between fan, trust and directors from day one of this enterprise and believe that the odd flippant meeting simply doesn't cut it. The fans bailed out this club to a high tune and deserve better than the continual silence.
"Come on then, step up and have a go then, they're only volunteers" you cry. Go and ask Rob Santwris how that worked out for him. Hardly an advertisement for fan inclusivity, engagement and transparency.
I don't wish to elect replacement directors tit-for tat in light of recent resignations, I wish for an entire re-election process across the board once this WRU saga has been settled. Justify your position, show us your body of work, tell us your vision and show us the respect we deserve.
You cannot simply run a fan-owned club and keep us in the dark.
Looks like the trust lied to you as well then. Apparently there were options and at no point did the trust say takeover was only option.Fourthousand wrote:Agree with parts of this but a little one sided - it is a two way street - 'show us the respect we deserve' is always going to cause a tension if that is the stance taken.Reading the vitriol aimed at the Board, the snipping and in some cases insinuations of misappropriation- you could argue that we are getting 'the respect that we deserve'.Jackorias wrote:I scanned through that video and so the toxic rumours amount to a scant transfer possibility and a run-in with the WRU over rent negotiations is the claim?
Just to play devil's advocate here; could it be that the board are just getting on with it and that this ticket office / shop / fixture uncertainty is simply the fallout from tough negotiating and refusing to give away any intentions by publicly commenting?
Don't burn me at the stake for that one though, merely seeing both sides.
As for the NDA, is there any proof that there are any in play at board level? Just curious as I may have missed news of that.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm immensely discontented by the sheer lack of communication between fan, trust and directors from day one of this enterprise and believe that the odd flippant meeting simply doesn't cut it. The fans bailed out this club to a high tune and deserve better than the continual silence.
"Come on then, step up and have a go then, they're only volunteers" you cry. Go and ask Rob Santwris how that worked out for him. Hardly an advertisement for fan inclusivity, engagement and transparency.
I don't wish to elect replacement directors tit-for tat in light of recent resignations, I wish for an entire re-election process across the board once this WRU saga has been settled. Justify your position, show us your body of work, tell us your vision and show us the respect we deserve.
You cannot simply run a fan-owned club and keep us in the dark.
'Fan inclusivity and engagement' - read through comments on this Forum and you could get the impression that some fans see the Board as 'them' and our 'enemies'. And as far as the engagement bit - turn up, watch the team and moan off on here without offering to do something positive - nigh on everyone has an excuse as to why the areas that they are a keyboard expert can't be used to help the club out.
Do you know the reason why Rob stood down or are you speculating and using it to support your point?
And a bit over the top to say ' continual silence' -
you might feel that way because of the statement above around 'respect'- you may have a build in predetermined level of entitlement.
And yes many if us chipped in to save our football club because the alternative wasn't an option - but it doesn't make us all Alan Sugar's. Want to make a difference/ change things up then work through the Trust Board and/or join that Board, but don't go in thinking you have all the answers and as a one man crusade that you can change things overnight.
Just balancing things up.
I think you are in dire need of re-acquainting yourself with the standards and best practices laid out by Supporters Direct.Fourthousand wrote:Agree with parts of this but a little one sided - it is a two way street - 'show us the respect we deserve' is always going to cause a tension if that is the stance taken.Reading the vitriol aimed at the Board, the snipping and in some cases insinuations of misappropriation- you could argue that we are getting 'the respect that we deserve'.
'Fan inclusivity and engagement' - read through comments on this Forum and you could get the impression that some fans see the Board as 'them' and our 'enemies'. And as far as the engagement bit - turn up, watch the team and moan off on here without offering to do something positive - nigh on everyone has an excuse as to why the areas that they are a keyboard expert can't be used to help the club out.
Do you know the reason why Rob stood down or are you speculating and using it to support your point?
And a bit over the top to say ' continual silence' -
you might feel that way because of the statement above around 'respect'- you may have a build in predetermined level of entitlement.
And yes many if us chipped in to save our football club because the alternative wasn't an option - but it doesn't make us all Alan Sugar's. Want to make a difference/ change things up then work through the Trust Board and/or join that Board, but don't go in thinking you have all the answers and as a one man crusade that you can change things overnight.
Just balancing things up.
You talk of respect being a two-way street, what respect should I pay to the brazen current ignorance of the above statement?The transparency, communication and engagement will continue as we have done throughout the funding campaign. We have made a commitment to you the Supporters and we aim to follow this through.
Couldn't agree morepembsexile wrote:I have to say that the above post by Jackorias is probably up there with one of the best posts that I have read on this board. You have put it in a far better way than I could have. Bloody well done Jackorias.
Not too much debate going on here old boy just sounds like a person cruelly lashing out and showing little respect for a fellow fan who offers a different perspective . Your post has all the hallmarks of an authorcrat who obvoiusly is not used to his word being challenged.Jackorias wrote:I think you are in dire need of re-acquainting yourself with the standards and best practices laid out by Supporters Direct.Fourthousand wrote:Agree with parts of this but a little one sided - it is a two way street - 'show us the respect we deserve' is always going to cause a tension if that is the stance taken.Reading the vitriol aimed at the Board, the snipping and in some cases insinuations of misappropriation- you could argue that we are getting 'the respect that we deserve'.
'Fan inclusivity and engagement' - read through comments on this Forum and you could get the impression that some fans see the Board as 'them' and our 'enemies'. And as far as the engagement bit - turn up, watch the team and moan off on here without offering to do something positive - nigh on everyone has an excuse as to why the areas that they are a keyboard expert can't be used to help the club out.
Do you know the reason why Rob stood down or are you speculating and using it to support your point?
And a bit over the top to say ' continual silence' -
you might feel that way because of the statement above around 'respect'- you may have a build in predetermined level of entitlement.
And yes many if us chipped in to save our football club because the alternative wasn't an option - but it doesn't make us all Alan Sugar's. Want to make a difference/ change things up then work through the Trust Board and/or join that Board, but don't go in thinking you have all the answers and as a one man crusade that you can change things overnight.
Just balancing things up.
https://supporters-direct.org/assets/me ... fz64FC.pdf
I urge anybody who reads this to graze through the linked document and upon completion ask yourself this; Does the initial promise of the Riverfront meeting, of which was presented with the guiding hand of Supporters Direct, match the current reality of what you observe and have observed since that day.
Predetermined sense of entitlement say you fourthousand? I should think so having been sat on the stage amongst a collection of open-minded representatives of supporter groups at that very meeting listening to how the club was to operate moving forward. I believe this to be less within the realm of entitlement and more towards a reaction to failings in execution since day one.
In fact, if you require further evidence on why we should feel quite entitled, here's a quote from the official Newport County website in October of 2015...
You talk of respect being a two-way street, what respect should I pay to the brazen current ignorance of the above statement?The transparency, communication and engagement will continue as we have done throughout the funding campaign. We have made a commitment to you the Supporters and we aim to follow this through.
Fast forward to present day and the status-quo simply does not bear any resemblance to the ideal put forward then by the standards they strived to continue nor does it bear any resemblance to the standards and best practices within that document put forward by Supporters Direct.
Where is the, in no particular order:
- Supporters Advisory Board?
Fan's Parliament?
Accountability?
Transparency?
Representation?
Regular consultation? (AFC Wimbledon had one re: ticket prices!)
As an aside; What dismays me with parts of your counter-argument is that I find such a predictably elitist defence mechanism for any criticism thrown towards the board's general direction. To imply that unless you have, are currently or in future plan to volunteer your time that your opinion counts one score less on the scale of importance than those who have not is laughable and down-right insulting to the rest of us. Most of whom, for a multiplicity of different reasons cannot volunteer anything but their hard earned money to the County. Is that not good enough to eat at the table where our opinion matters?
It is the equivalent to throwing your hands over your ears and exclaiming "not-listening" like a toddler bereaved of a Happy Meal at this point. It's been an obstructionary and deflectionary tactic for far too long against those who raise fair questions and balanced points.
To the disappointment of some, we are entitled to speak openly on club matters however we see fit and as a longstanding member of this forum, I'm glad to see debate and discussion still as alive and as impassioned as ever.
Too long, can't be arsed to read? Club communication is hypocritically pants, I'm naffed off.
Jackorias wrote:I think you are in dire need of re-acquainting yourself with the standards and best practices laid out by Supporters Direct.Fourthousand wrote:Agree with parts of this but a little one sided - it is a two way street - 'show us the respect we deserve' is always going to cause a tension if that is the stance taken.Reading the vitriol aimed at the Board, the snipping and in some cases insinuations of misappropriation- you could argue that we are getting 'the respect that we deserve'.
'Fan inclusivity and engagement' - read through comments on this Forum and you could get the impression that some fans see the Board as 'them' and our 'enemies'. And as far as the engagement bit - turn up, watch the team and moan off on here without offering to do something positive - nigh on everyone has an excuse as to why the areas that they are a keyboard expert can't be used to help the club out.
Do you know the reason why Rob stood down or are you speculating and using it to support your point?
And a bit over the top to say ' continual silence' -
you might feel that way because of the statement above around 'respect'- you may have a build in predetermined level of entitlement.
And yes many if us chipped in to save our football club because the alternative wasn't an option - but it doesn't make us all Alan Sugar's. Want to make a difference/ change things up then work through the Trust Board and/or join that Board, but don't go in thinking you have all the answers and as a one man crusade that you can change things overnight.
Just balancing things up.
https://supporters-direct.org/assets/me ... fz64FC.pdf
I urge anybody who reads this to graze through the linked document and upon completion ask yourself this; Does the initial promise of the Riverfront meeting, of which was presented with the guiding hand of Supporters Direct, match the current reality of what you observe and have observed since that day.
Predetermined sense of entitlement say you fourthousand? I should think so having been sat on the stage amongst a collection of open-minded representatives of supporter groups at that very meeting listening to how the club was to operate moving forward. I believe this to be less within the realm of entitlement and more towards a reaction to failings in execution since day one.
In fact, if you require further evidence on why we should feel quite entitled, here's a quote from the official Newport County website in October of 2015...
You talk of respect being a two-way street, what respect should I pay to the brazen current ignorance of the above statement?The transparency, communication and engagement will continue as we have done throughout the funding campaign. We have made a commitment to you the Supporters and we aim to follow this through.
Fast forward to present day and the status-quo simply does not bear any resemblance to the ideal put forward then by the standards they strived to continue nor does it bear any resemblance to the standards and best practices within that document put forward by Supporters Direct.
Where is the, in no particular order:
- Supporters Advisory Board?
Fan's Parliament?
Accountability?
Transparency?
Representation?
Regular consultation? (AFC Wimbledon had one re: ticket prices!)
As an aside; What dismays me with parts of your counter-argument is that I find such a predictably elitist defence mechanism for any criticism thrown towards the board's general direction. To imply that unless you have, are currently or in future plan to volunteer your time that your opinion counts one score less on the scale of importance than those who have not is laughable and down-right insulting to the rest of us. Most of whom, for a multiplicity of different reasons cannot volunteer anything but their hard earned money to the County. Is that not good enough to eat at the table where our opinion matters?
It is the equivalent to throwing your hands over your ears and exclaiming "not-listening" like a toddler bereaved of a Happy Meal at this point. It's been an obstructionary and deflectionary tactic for far too long against those who raise fair questions and balanced points.
To the disappointment of some, we are entitled to speak openly on club matters however we see fit and as a longstanding member of this forum, I'm glad to see debate and discussion still as alive and as impassioned as ever.
Too long, can't be arsed to read? Club communication is hypocritically pants, I'm naffed off.
Quite possibly the best post of the year. Absolutely spot onJackorias wrote:I think you are in dire need of re-acquainting yourself with the standards and best practices laid out by Supporters Direct.Fourthousand wrote:Agree with parts of this but a little one sided - it is a two way street - 'show us the respect we deserve' is always going to cause a tension if that is the stance taken.Reading the vitriol aimed at the Board, the snipping and in some cases insinuations of misappropriation- you could argue that we are getting 'the respect that we deserve'.
'Fan inclusivity and engagement' - read through comments on this Forum and you could get the impression that some fans see the Board as 'them' and our 'enemies'. And as far as the engagement bit - turn up, watch the team and moan off on here without offering to do something positive - nigh on everyone has an excuse as to why the areas that they are a keyboard expert can't be used to help the club out.
Do you know the reason why Rob stood down or are you speculating and using it to support your point?
And a bit over the top to say ' continual silence' -
you might feel that way because of the statement above around 'respect'- you may have a build in predetermined level of entitlement.
And yes many if us chipped in to save our football club because the alternative wasn't an option - but it doesn't make us all Alan Sugar's. Want to make a difference/ change things up then work through the Trust Board and/or join that Board, but don't go in thinking you have all the answers and as a one man crusade that you can change things overnight.
Just balancing things up.
https://supporters-direct.org/assets/me ... fz64FC.pdf
I urge anybody who reads this to graze through the linked document and upon completion ask yourself this; Does the initial promise of the Riverfront meeting, of which was presented with the guiding hand of Supporters Direct, match the current reality of what you observe and have observed since that day.
Predetermined sense of entitlement say you fourthousand? I should think so having been sat on the stage amongst a collection of open-minded representatives of supporter groups at that very meeting listening to how the club was to operate moving forward. I believe this to be less within the realm of entitlement and more towards a reaction to failings in execution since day one.
In fact, if you require further evidence on why we should feel quite entitled, here's a quote from the official Newport County website in October of 2015...
You talk of respect being a two-way street, what respect should I pay to the brazen current ignorance of the above statement?The transparency, communication and engagement will continue as we have done throughout the funding campaign. We have made a commitment to you the Supporters and we aim to follow this through.
Fast forward to present day and the status-quo simply does not bear any resemblance to the ideal put forward then by the standards they strived to continue nor does it bear any resemblance to the standards and best practices within that document put forward by Supporters Direct.
Where is the, in no particular order:
- Supporters Advisory Board?
Fan's Parliament?
Accountability?
Transparency?
Representation?
Regular consultation? (AFC Wimbledon had one re: ticket prices!)
As an aside; What dismays me with parts of your counter-argument is that I find such a predictably elitist defence mechanism for any criticism thrown towards the board's general direction. To imply that unless you have, are currently or in future plan to volunteer your time that your opinion counts one score less on the scale of importance than those who have not is laughable and down-right insulting to the rest of us. Most of whom, for a multiplicity of different reasons cannot volunteer anything but their hard earned money to the County. Is that not good enough to eat at the table where our opinion matters?
It is the equivalent to throwing your hands over your ears and exclaiming "not-listening" like a toddler bereaved of a Happy Meal at this point. It's been an obstructionary and deflectionary tactic for far too long against those who raise fair questions and balanced points.
To the disappointment of some, we are entitled to speak openly on club matters however we see fit and as a longstanding member of this forum, I'm glad to see debate and discussion still as alive and as impassioned as ever.
Too long, can't be arsed to read? Club communication is hypocritically pants, I'm naffed off.
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