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George Street-Bridge wrote:God knows how many times we've done the £9 thing and it doesn't get any less ridiculous with repetition. That must be Southern League prices and the upshot would be a Southern League-standard squad getting slaughtered every week,.until eventually the club settled at Southern League level in all respects.

However, the ground would have become unaffordable long before that and we'd have had to kick it off with a fire sale of players as the prudent thing to do as a hedge against collapsing income through the gate and from sponsorship.

Good luck persuading a family of four to stump up 36 quid a game loyally through that process.

Add then the fact the the people of Newport would not be prepared to pay £9 to watch semi pro football? No chance & we'd be at crowds of 600 again

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George Street-Bridge wrote:God knows how many times we've done the £9 thing and it doesn't get any less ridiculous with repetition. That must be Southern League prices and the upshot would be a Southern League-standard squad getting slaughtered every week,.until eventually the club settled at Southern League level in all respects.

However, the ground would have become unaffordable long before that and we'd have had to kick it off with a fire sale of players as the prudent thing to do as a hedge against collapsing income through the gate and from sponsorship.

Good luck persuading a family of four to stump up 36 quid a game loyally through that process.
I think we get £8 from the £10 it costs to watch I Follow streamed games. Not sure what the cost is for those like Stan, who live outside the UK, but believe it was something like £200 for all home and away games. Bargain I would say, but as our squad costs £350k more than our current income, we need to find a 1000 new season ticket holders or several thousand overseas supporters just to afford the squad we have now.

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George Street-Bridge wrote:God knows how many times we've done the £9 thing and it doesn't get any less ridiculous with repetition. That must be Southern League prices and the upshot would be a Southern League-standard squad getting slaughtered every week,.until eventually the club settled at Southern League level in all respects.

However, the ground would have become unaffordable long before that and we'd have had to kick it off with a fire sale of players as the prudent thing to do as a hedge against collapsing income through the gate and from sponsorship.

Good luck persuading a family of four to stump up 36 quid a game loyally through that process.
What I actually asked, was whether we could sell enough tickets at £9 to MAINTAIN the current level of ticket sales' revenues.
It seems to me, that in the normal run of the mill games, the current price is correct, and the only way we'll increase attendances is by climbing another division, then another. No matter how cheap we make it, no matter how affordable we try to make it, none of that will attract extra fans. I don't know what our 'per match' ticket revenues are, but I'll hazard a guess of £37,000.... we'd need 4100 crowds to reach the same level at £9.... including around 400 away fans...
So an increase of 25% in the number of home fans at £9 would see us maintain current revenue levels (guesstimate).
If we were allowed to introduce such a structure, and Newport people won't pay £9 to watch League Two football, we might as well pack up and go home.

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newgroundrodney wrote:
George Street-Bridge wrote:God knows how many times we've done the £9 thing and it doesn't get any less ridiculous with repetition. That must be Southern League prices and the upshot would be a Southern League-standard squad getting slaughtered every week,.until eventually the club settled at Southern League level in all respects.

However, the ground would have become unaffordable long before that and we'd have had to kick it off with a fire sale of players as the prudent thing to do as a hedge against collapsing income through the gate and from sponsorship.

Good luck persuading a family of four to stump up 36 quid a game loyally through that process.
What I actually asked, was whether we could sell enough tickets at £9 to MAINTAIN the current level of ticket sales' revenues.
It seems to me, that in the normal run of the mill games, the current price is correct, and the only way we'll increase attendances is by climbing another division, then another. No matter how cheap we make it, no matter how affordable we try to make it, none of that will attract extra fans. I don't know what our 'per match' ticket revenues are, but I'll hazard a guess of £37,000.... we'd need 4100 crowds to reach the same level at £9.... including around 400 away fans...
So an increase of 25% in the number of home fans at £9 would see us maintain current revenue levels (guesstimate).
If we were allowed to introduce such a structure, and Newport people won't pay £9 to watch League Two football, we might as well pack up and go home.
In my opinion, no.

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lowandhard wrote:Back to the original topic.
Is there a site that the council owns and would be willing to gift ( they did so for the Dragons )? Or is there a site that wouldn’t be too expensive to buy? That would :-
A) be easily developed as a training ground , and then
B) be capable of , and permission would be given for , development as a future stadium.
We should have demonstrated to the council our value to the city but will they gift us some land and make that support concrete? The club should ask the question.

damn good question, and yes back on topic, did the council gift the dragons the training ground land? where was it and when, do you know?

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The NCFC Hippy wrote:
lowandhard wrote:Back to the original topic.
Is there a site that the council owns and would be willing to gift ( they did so for the Dragons )? Or is there a site that wouldn’t be too expensive to buy? That would :-
A) be easily developed as a training ground , and then
B) be capable of , and permission would be given for , development as a future stadium.
We should have demonstrated to the council our value to the city but will they gift us some land and make that support concrete? The club should ask the question.

damn good question, and yes back on topic, did the council gift the dragons the training ground land? where was it and when, do you know?
Maybe from his son. Wait a minute Sorry no I'm wrong he doesn't discuss anything regarding Newport County or the Dragons with his son.

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The Newport wrote:
The NCFC Hippy wrote:
lowandhard wrote:Back to the original topic.
Is there a site that the council owns and would be willing to gift ( they did so for the Dragons )? Or is there a site that wouldn’t be too expensive to buy? That would :-
A) be easily developed as a training ground , and then
B) be capable of , and permission would be given for , development as a future stadium.
We should have demonstrated to the council our value to the city but will they gift us some land and make that support concrete? The club should ask the question.

damn good question, and yes back on topic, did the council gift the dragons the training ground land? where was it and when, do you know?
Maybe from his son. Wait a minute Sorry no I'm wrong he doesn't discuss anything regarding Newport County or the Dragons with his son.
You must feel very proud of yourself. So far this week you have made comments about somebody's wife and now somebody's son. Pathetic.

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newgroundrodney wrote:
George Street-Bridge wrote:God knows how many times we've done the £9 thing and it doesn't get any less ridiculous with repetition. That must be Southern League prices and the upshot would be a Southern League-standard squad getting slaughtered every week,.until eventually the club settled at Southern League level in all respects.

However, the ground would have become unaffordable long before that and we'd have had to kick it off with a fire sale of players as the prudent thing to do as a hedge against collapsing income through the gate and from sponsorship.

Good luck persuading a family of four to stump up 36 quid a game loyally through that process.
What I actually asked, was whether we could sell enough tickets at £9 to MAINTAIN the current level of ticket sales' revenues.
It seems to me, that in the normal run of the mill games, the current price is correct, and the only way we'll increase attendances is by climbing another division, then another. No matter how cheap we make it, no matter how affordable we try to make it, none of that will attract extra fans. I don't know what our 'per match' ticket revenues are, but I'll hazard a guess of £37,000.... we'd need 4100 crowds to reach the same level at £9.... including around 400 away fans...
So an increase of 25% in the number of home fans at £9 would see us maintain current revenue levels (guesstimate).
If we were allowed to introduce such a structure, and Newport people won't pay £9 to watch League Two football, we might as well pack up and go home.
The idea that reducing prices is fundamentally flawed - the additional people required is one 5hing but the costs in maintaining the proposition stewards / police and refreshment facility costs need to be considered. It is a mistake many bust businesses make - the way to increase revenue is to increase price you typically lose little business and do not increase operational costs.

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lowandhard wrote :
Back to the original topic.
Is there a site that the council owns and would be willing to gift ( they did so for the Dragons )? Or is there a site that wouldn’t be too expensive to buy? That would :-
A) be easily developed as a training ground , and then
B) be capable of , and permission would be given for , development as a future stadium.
We should have demonstrated to the council our value to the city but will they gift us some land and make that support concrete? The club should ask the question.

The NCFC Hippy wrote :
damn good question, and yes back on topic, did the council gift the dragons the training ground land? where was it and when, do you know?

The Newport Wrote :
Maybe from his son. Wait a minute Sorry no I'm wrong he doesn't discuss anything regarding Newport County or the Dragons with his son.

pembsexile wrote :
You must feel very proud of yourself. So far this week you have made comments about somebody's wife and now somebody's son. Pathetic.
I don't know who you think you are? If you had read all my comments correctly you would have seen the comment was a complete joke. Another one who is unable to read properly. There's only one Pathetic person on here. So keep looking in the mirror that you carry around in your handbag. And yes I am quite proud of myself thank you very much. Just like everyone else who should be proud of themselves.
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The NCFC Hippy wrote:
lowandhard wrote:Back to the original topic.
Is there a site that the council owns and would be willing to gift ( they did so for the Dragons )? Or is there a site that wouldn’t be too expensive to buy? That would :-
A) be easily developed as a training ground , and then
B) be capable of , and permission would be given for , development as a future stadium.
We should have demonstrated to the council our value to the city but will they gift us some land and make that support concrete? The club should ask the question.

damn good question, and yes back on topic, did the council gift the dragons the training ground land? where was it and when, do you know?
If he is referring to a small strip behind the away end at RP, it was bought back from the Council. It had been acquired to build the School, but was deemed a boundary safeguarding issue, that would cost more to resolve than just sell.

The Dragons training ground was built by Caerphilly Council, and is in Ystrad Mynach, across the road from the new hospital.

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pembsexile wrote:
The Newport wrote:
The NCFC Hippy wrote:

damn good question, and yes back on topic, did the council gift the dragons the training ground land? where was it and when, do you know?
Maybe from his son. Wait a minute Sorry no I'm wrong he doesn't discuss anything regarding Newport County or the Dragons with his son.
You must feel very proud of yourself. So far this week you have made comments about somebody's wife and now somebody's son. Pathetic.
As you’ve probably noticed it’s why I don’t bother posting on here very much these days Pembs. As a matter of record, no, I haven’t discussed this topic with my son, we don’t live in each other’s pockets and when we talk we have other fish to fry, family is so much more important.
Obviously a training ground will not impact on our relationship with RP though if it could transition to a stadium complex, it certainly would. I just think that a gift of some land from the council would be in order given the positive impact we have on trade in the city.

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If you divide the total crowd per season by the total receipts the mean average cost of watching Newport County is about £13-50p. Thus a 3,000 crowd gives a total gate receipt of about £40,000.

Now a £10 flat fee would require about a 4,000 to give broadly competitive income.
Now whilst I disagree with NGR's figures, for me £12 to stand £20 to sit would be better. The principle is at least arguable. Low prices don't work according to Tesco and Saintsbury's. Aldi and Lidl might disagree.

Try reading through this thread. NGR and Highandwide are two of the most mild mannered of people and yet it seems that for daring to advance views that a certain clique on here don't like they get castigated. The clique should be ashamed.

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Stan A. Einstein wrote:If you divide the total crowd per season by the total receipts the mean average cost of watching Newport County is about £13-50p. Thus a 3,000 crowd gives a total gate receipt of about £40,000.

Now a £10 flat fee would require about a 4,000 to give broadly competitive income.
Now whilst I disagree with NGR's figures, for me £12 to stand £20 to sit would be better. The principle is at least arguable. Low prices don't work according to Tesco and Saintsbury's. Aldi and Lidl might disagree.

Try reading through this thread. NGR and Highandwide are two of the most mild mannered of people and yet it seems that for daring to advance views that a certain clique on here don't like they get castigated. The clique should be ashamed.
Where is the total receipts figure published? Does it include season tickets? How do we count season tickets in the attendance figures?

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Amberexile wrote:
Stan A. Einstein wrote:If you divide the total crowd per season by the total receipts the mean average cost of watching Newport County is about £13-50p. Thus a 3,000 crowd gives a total gate receipt of about £40,000.

Now a £10 flat fee would require about a 4,000 to give broadly competitive income.
Now whilst I disagree with NGR's figures, for me £12 to stand £20 to sit would be better. The principle is at least arguable. Low prices don't work according to Tesco and Saintsbury's. Aldi and Lidl might disagree.

Try reading through this thread. NGR and Highandwide are two of the most mild mannered of people and yet it seems that for daring to advance views that a certain clique on here don't like they get castigated. The clique should be ashamed.
Where is the total receipts figure published? Does it include season tickets? How do we count season tickets in the attendance figures?
A couple of years ago I divided the published gate receipts by 23.

Years ago I recall gate receipts were routinely published per game. For what it's worth the point I am making is that there is an optimum price to charge. What also needs to be remembered is ancillary revenue, which of course is greater with bigger crowds. It is not that NGR is necessarily correct but rather that he might be.

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Stan A. Einstein wrote:If you divide the total crowd per season by the total receipts the mean average cost of watching Newport County is about £13-50p. Thus a 3,000 crowd gives a total gate receipt of about £40,000.

Now a £10 flat fee would require about a 4,000 to give broadly competitive income.
Now whilst I disagree with NGR's figures, for me £12 to stand £20 to sit would be better. The principle is at least arguable. Low prices don't work according to Tesco and Saintsbury's. Aldi and Lidl might disagree.

Try reading through this thread. NGR and Highandwide are two of the most mild mannered of people and yet it seems that for daring to advance views that a certain clique on here don't like they get castigated. The clique should be ashamed.
I made this list especially for you Stan I hope you appreciate it.


A Narcissistic Check List

1. Two faced, putting friends and family down behind their backs.

2. Tendency to blame their lack of success and failures on others.

3. Acts differently in public than in private.

4. Irresponsible and unreliable.

5. Arrogant, act superior.

6. Lives in a fantasy world which may include porn, flirting, affairs, and dreams of unlimited success and fame.

7. Addicted to fantasy oriented behaviour.

8. Will lie and distort facts and change events to suite their own agenda.

9. Be irresponsible with money.

10. Emotionally distant and unavailable unless they want something.

11. Lack sympathy for others, especially those they exploit.

12. Be very controlling and unable to relax.

13. Regularly provoke people and blame them for the fight.

14. Have trouble admitting their mistakes.

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