UPTHEPORT wrote:

redstarparker_port wrote:On the whole a great occasion last night & probably a fair (&positive) result in the end.

Sad to say that our resurgence in the 2nd half was spoiled a bit for me by the behaviour of a tiny minority of our fans in the Hazell Terrace. After the linesman ruled out the goal a coin was thrown (luckily didnt make contact), plus a lad ran up to the barrier and spat two clear gobfuls of spit towards the linesman. Really embarassing , not what we're about and a shame to see as it was a brilliant atmosphere otherwise.

Onwards & upwards to Sunday.

If that's true its disgusting and I hope you reported it straight away

The lineo got every call correct but even if he didn't there's no need of that

Amberexile wrote:It can only be red card if their player has possession of the ball and is incontrol of it. Without the benefit of replays he didn't.

Managers need to understand the laws before mouthing off

Amberexile wrote:

Stan A. Einstein wrote:

Amberexile wrote:I've seen a replay now. Under the laws of the game, OB could not be red carded as their player did not even touch the ball let alone have it under control.

He doesn't need to have control of the ball. The referee should actually assess whether he has or is likely to gain control of the ball.

You make the mistake of reading the words without knowledge of how the laws are taught.
Never a red to anyone who has attended the course.

DeePeeNCAFC wrote:

Ugo. wrote:

DeePeeNCAFC wrote:Just watched the highlights, admit I got a few things wrong. OB should have been sent off, easily a DOGSO offence and he was the last man. Only got a yellow because it was so early in the game I feel.
Robbie's goal was a yard offside.
Our penalty was the correct decision also, Azeez got a touch and Logan took him out.

Sound all-round decisions by the officials, Flitcroft needs to wind his neck in, horrible man.

I've seen and disagree with both of your assessments, OB should not have been sent off as Walker didn't have control of the ball, for the penalty the goalie got a touch on the ball and therefore no pen.

OB physically held and man-handled their player to prevent him getting to the ball. Clear foul and obvious goal-scoring opportunity and as he was the last defender I wouldn't have argued with a red card. As a ref myself I have dismissed players for similar.

From the Sky highlights, my view is Azeez got the last touch (admittedly taking the ball away from goal) and Logan clattered into him unable to get out of the way, but because it appeared he tried to get the ball the ref generously didn't book him.

Football is always about opinions though and it's good we can debate this. The referee assessor was surprisingly sat just behind Flitcroft tonight (I did wonder if that was deliberate) rather than higher up in the stand, he would have seen how Flitcroft behaved.

SJG99 wrote:

Amberexile wrote:It can only be red card if their player has possession of the ball and is incontrol of it. Without the benefit of replays he didn't.

Managers need to understand the laws before mouthing off

You've literally just made that up.

If, say, a defender pulls back a striker clean through who is running for a cross in the box and clearly going to get to it, it's denying a goalscoring opportunity and a red card.

Amberexile wrote:

SJG99 wrote:

Amberexile wrote:It can only be red card if their player has possession of the ball and is incontrol of it. Without the benefit of replays he didn't.

Managers need to understand the laws before mouthing off

You've literally just made that up.

If, say, a defender pulls back a striker clean through who is running for a cross in the box and clearly going to get to it, it's denying a goalscoring opportunity and a red card.

Just repeating the advice I was given on how to interpret DOGSO situations on the referees course.

At one time there was a view that the refs course should be a mandatory part of the coaching courses. Sounded like a good idea to me.

UPTHEPORT wrote:

I would also like to see all apprentices take the Referee course as well you never know you may get more young lads taking that path when released

Neddy Flanders wrote:Just have to commend the 30 or so Mansfield fans that came into the Excelsior Club before the match last night. Friendly, jovial and a credit to their club.
I’m afraid to say though, that judging by previous visits to Mansfield, we’ll be treated like absolute cattle on Sunday.

UPTHEPORT wrote:
Every season the relevant FAs write to each club with the update laws of the game a form is attached for them to sign that all received and understood its pretty obvious the clubs don't take any notice

I would also like to see all apprentices take the Referee course as well you never know you may get more young lads taking that path when released

Stan A. Einstein wrote:

UPTHEPORT wrote:

I would also like to see all apprentices take the Referee course as well you never know you may get more young lads taking that path when released

Jim, imagine you're forty yards from an incident where the ball goes out for a throw in. You don't have the first clue who played it last, neither does your lino. You can be certain of only two thing. Firstly both players involved know who touched the ball last. And both players will say it was the other guy.

They both know the law but it won't stop them 'cheating'. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be.

Stan A. Einstein wrote:

UPTHEPORT wrote:

I would also like to see all apprentices take the Referee course as well you never know you may get more young lads taking that path when released

Jim, imagine you're forty yards from an incident where the ball goes out for a throw in. You don't have the first clue who played it last, neither does your lino. You can be certain of only two thing. Firstly both players involved know who touched the ball last. And both players will say it was the other guy.

They both know the law but it won't stop them 'cheating'. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be.

Amberexile wrote:

Stan A. Einstein wrote:

UPTHEPORT wrote:

I would also like to see all apprentices take the Referee course as well you never know you may get more young lads taking that path when released

Jim, imagine you're forty yards from an incident where the ball goes out for a throw in. You don't have the first clue who played it last, neither does your lino. You can be certain of only two thing. Firstly both players involved know who touched the ball last. And both players will say it was the other guy.

They both know the law but it won't stop them 'cheating'. As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be.

First, Jim would never be forty yards from play but you can be 5 yards away and still not be certain up to about under 11s you can often get away with it because one player gets the ball and the other moves away to defend the throw. Beyond that age you are sadly correct.

Strange isn't it how half the players want the ref to make a mistake every time the ball goes out of play, then go ballistic when he does