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Re: Finances

Postby mad norm » January 14th, 2020, 4:46 pm

How nice to read some interesting thoughts,nice one,no vitriol either. It fascinates me what the criteria are for the point when a volunteering role turns into a paid role
Thoughts on this?.
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Re: Finances

Postby newgroundrodney » January 14th, 2020, 4:57 pm

How much does it cost per year to run NCAFC, before a single penny in income is received?....
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Re: Finances

Postby phil crump » January 14th, 2020, 5:03 pm

mad norm wrote:How nice to read some interesting thoughts,nice one,no vitriol either. It fascinates me what the criteria are for the point when a volunteering role turns into a paid role
Thoughts on this?.

Depends I guess on the volunteer what their doing and at what point they may feel they should recieve something.having been there I don’t really think there is a definitive answer
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Re: Finances

Postby Percy plunkett » January 14th, 2020, 10:51 pm

newgroundrodney wrote:How much does it cost per year to run NCAFC, before a single penny in income is received?....

One of the meetings in 18 stated £1.1m on budget and about the same on everything else.
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Re: Finances

Postby Amberexile » January 15th, 2020, 1:03 am

newgroundrodney wrote:How much does it cost per year to run NCAFC, before a single penny in income is received?....


Our total administrative expenses in the year to 30th June 2018 were £3,223,337, the year before it was £2,693,159. Not strictly an answer to your question but the best figures I know that have been published.
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Re: Finances

Postby lowandhard » January 15th, 2020, 1:43 am

Amberexile wrote:
newgroundrodney wrote:How much does it cost per year to run NCAFC, before a single penny in income is received?....


Our total administrative expenses in the year to 30th June 2018 were £3,223,337, the year before it was £2,693,159. Not strictly an answer to your question but the best figures I know that have been published.


Which is why cup runs ( much as they are almost vital to small clubs like us to have a bit of breathing space ) will not solve our problems long term. Now that memberships have been updated, how much doTrust members provide annually?
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Re: Finances

Postby Amberexile » January 15th, 2020, 11:49 am

lowandhard wrote:
Amberexile wrote:
newgroundrodney wrote:How much does it cost per year to run NCAFC, before a single penny in income is received?....


Our total administrative expenses in the year to 30th June 2018 were £3,223,337, the year before it was £2,693,159. Not strictly an answer to your question but the best figures I know that have been published.


Which is why cup runs ( much as they are almost vital to small clubs like us to have a bit of breathing space ) will not solve our problems long term. Now that memberships have been updated, how much doTrust members provide annually?


The last published figure was September when 984 members were raising £103k, Membership in October was 1003. We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.
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Re: Finances

Postby whoareya » January 15th, 2020, 1:34 pm

Amberexile wrote:
lowandhard wrote:
Amberexile wrote:
newgroundrodney wrote:How much does it cost per year to run NCAFC, before a single penny in income is received?....


Our total administrative expenses in the year to 30th June 2018 were £3,223,337, the year before it was £2,693,159. Not strictly an answer to your question but the best figures I know that have been published.


Which is why cup runs ( much as they are almost vital to small clubs like us to have a bit of breathing space ) will not solve our problems long term. Now that memberships have been updated, how much doTrust members provide annually?


The last published figure was September when 984 members were raising £103k, Membership in October was 1003. We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


Yep, plenty of them about.

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Re: Finances

Postby Stan A. Einstein » January 15th, 2020, 2:38 pm

Amberexile wrote: We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


We know County's average home gate is about 4,000. We know that because of work, finances, family commitments most supporters can't attend every game. My view is that there are about 5,000 to 6,000 thousand people who would regard themselves as County supporters. Let's use the lower figure.

5,000 County supporters. 1,000 Trust members.

20% of County supporters are Trust members. Which means 80% are not. Rather than be critical of the 80% would it not be sensible to ask them/us why they/we are not members?
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Re: Finances

Postby Ado » January 15th, 2020, 3:42 pm

Shouldn't we be putting money away for a new ground ?
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Re: Finances

Postby lowandhard » January 15th, 2020, 4:34 pm

Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote: We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


We know County's average home gate is about 4,000. We know that because of work, finances, family commitments most supporters can't attend every game. My view is that there are about 5,000 to 6,000 thousand people who would regard themselves as County supporters. Let's use the lower figure.

5,000 County supporters. 1,000 Trust members.

20% of County supporters are Trust members. Which means 80% are not. Rather than be critical of the 80% would it not be sensible to ask them/us why they/we are not members?


I agree . I happen to be a member though can not afford to be committing a significant amount. It behoves us to at least put out a questionnaire to non-members to complete ( physical and online ) asking them various questions relating to joining the Trust and the circumstances under which they would/would not join. I suspect transparency might be one issue brought up but you don’t know until you ask. As a club I would “ box a bit clever “ with the timing of such a launch as well as accompanying the form with a membership application form.
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Re: Finances

Postby Amberexile » January 15th, 2020, 4:41 pm

Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote: We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


We know County's average home gate is about 4,000. We know that because of work, finances, family commitments most supporters can't attend every game. My view is that there are about 5,000 to 6,000 thousand people who would regard themselves as County supporters. Let's use the lower figure.

5,000 County supporters. 1,000 Trust members.

20% of County supporters are Trust members. Which means 80% are not. Rather than be critical of the 80% would it not be sensible to ask them/us why they/we are not members?


My comment was aimed at an individual who will do anything to help other than actually help. They will have read it and recognised themselves and we'll likely laugh about it next time we meet up. They'll repeat all their usual petty excuses and I'll finish with you either have to be part of the solution, or you're going to be part of the problem.Then we'll have another pint before the match.

Seems I inadvertently hit a nerve. :wink:
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Re: Finances

Postby Stan A. Einstein » January 15th, 2020, 6:37 pm

Amberexile wrote:
Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote: We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


We know County's average home gate is about 4,000. We know that because of work, finances, family commitments most supporters can't attend every game. My view is that there are about 5,000 to 6,000 thousand people who would regard themselves as County supporters. Let's use the lower figure.

5,000 County supporters. 1,000 Trust members.

20% of County supporters are Trust members. Which means 80% are not. Rather than be critical of the 80% would it not be sensible to ask them/us why they/we are not members?


My comment was aimed at an individual who will do anything to help other than actually help. They will have read it and recognised themselves and we'll likely laugh about it next time we meet up. They'll repeat all their usual petty excuses and I'll finish with you either have to be part of the solution, or you're going to be part of the problem.Then we'll have another pint before the match.

Seems I inadvertently hit a nerve. :wink:


No Paul you didn't hit a nerve, but more importantly it doesn't alter the FAC that 80% of the supporters are not members of the trust. My concern would be to find out why not and to address that.
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Re: Finances

Postby Amberexile » January 15th, 2020, 7:07 pm

Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote:
Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote: We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


We know County's average home gate is about 4,000. We know that because of work, finances, family commitments most supporters can't attend every game. My view is that there are about 5,000 to 6,000 thousand people who would regard themselves as County supporters. Let's use the lower figure.

5,000 County supporters. 1,000 Trust members.

20% of County supporters are Trust members. Which means 80% are not. Rather than be critical of the 80% would it not be sensible to ask them/us why they/we are not members?


My comment was aimed at an individual who will do anything to help other than actually help. They will have read it and recognised themselves and we'll likely laugh about it next time we meet up. They'll repeat all their usual petty excuses and I'll finish with you either have to be part of the solution, or you're going to be part of the problem.Then we'll have another pint before the match.

Seems I inadvertently hit a nerve. :wink:


No Paul you didn't hit a nerve, but more importantly it doesn't alter the FAC that 80% of the supporters are not members of the trust. My concern would be to find out why not and to address that.


Crack on old chap. Have you given much thought with how you will find this out?

Whatever format of survey or whatever it is you decide to do, I'll do my very best to make sure my mate contributes his views to it. In fact if you decide to also investigate into why people contribute at a certain level when higher levels are available, I will contribute my own views on that subject.

When can we expect to see some results from you?
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Re: Finances

Postby Stan A. Einstein » January 15th, 2020, 7:16 pm

Amberexile wrote:
Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote:
Stan A. Einstein wrote:
Amberexile wrote: We need more people who can afford to do it to join rather than make excuses not to.


We know County's average home gate is about 4,000. We know that because of work, finances, family commitments most supporters can't attend every game. My view is that there are about 5,000 to 6,000 thousand people who would regard themselves as County supporters. Let's use the lower figure.

5,000 County supporters. 1,000 Trust members.

20% of County supporters are Trust members. Which means 80% are not. Rather than be critical of the 80% would it not be sensible to ask them/us why they/we are not members?


My comment was aimed at an individual who will do anything to help other than actually help. They will have read it and recognised themselves and we'll likely laugh about it next time we meet up. They'll repeat all their usual petty excuses and I'll finish with you either have to be part of the solution, or you're going to be part of the problem.Then we'll have another pint before the match.

Seems I inadvertently hit a nerve. :wink:


No Paul you didn't hit a nerve, but more importantly it doesn't alter the FAC that 80% of the supporters are not members of the trust. My concern would be to find out why not and to address that.


Crack on old chap. Have you given much thought with how you will find this out?

Whatever format of survey or whatever it is you decide to do, I'll do my very best to make sure my mate contributes his views to it. In fact if you decide to also investigate into why people contribute at a certain level when higher levels are available, I will contribute my own views on that subject.

When can we expect to see some results from you?


That's the point. If those with charge of our club asked then it might do some good. I fear that without that you and your mate will be wasting your time.

But good luck.
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