Stadium Discussion(s)

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PMG

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby PMG » February 20th, 2021, 2:38 pm

The point I was making was that the old directors did try and it was just prior to the Trust taking over the Trust new of the discussions as they were part of the board,and they choose not to continue with the plan
Maybe they did maybe they didn’t
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Stan A. Einstein

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby Stan A. Einstein » February 20th, 2021, 10:06 pm

PMG wrote:The point I was making was that the old directors did try and it was just prior to the Trust taking over the Trust new of the discussions as they were part of the board,and they choose not to continue with the plan
Maybe they did maybe they didn’t


Let us assume you are 100% correct.

I don't care about the past. Who was to blame, who wasn't. Who did this, who said what. It just doesn't matter.

What does matter is what we do now, closing days of February 2021. And I say we all know we have to face this problem and once and for all solve it. So the question is do Messrs Ward, Foxall and Johnson have the balls to finally face up to the problem or not?
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PMG

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby PMG » February 20th, 2021, 11:55 pm

Well Stan
The platform is there will they step up ???
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George Street-Bridge

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby George Street-Bridge » February 21st, 2021, 9:08 am

It is simply not true that no thought has been given to a new ground all the way back to 1989 - which is a bogus date anyway given we had to spend the next five years sorting out the FAW - and Stan is well aware of this as we discussed an earlier plan here. Most recently a year ago, but before that too.

To recap: The proposal was for a ground to the west of town, on land belonging to Tredegar Park Golf Club in the gap between the M4 and Forge Road. It would have been part of a bigger retail or business park and like other grounds in that era, the developer must have wanted one or more facilities with a community benefit to ease the planning process.

A consultant representing the developer made a presentation to a meeting of the Over the Bridge Exiles in Basingstoke. Other supporters I know were more sceptical than me, and they called it dead right. The guy was a bit flash and had some previous with other clubs, but even if it had all been kosher the location would still have been terrible so far out of town.

It was a lesson in some of the pitfalls involved and it gives the lie to any suggestion the club has never investigated the possibilities.
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Stan A. Einstein

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby Stan A. Einstein » February 21st, 2021, 10:37 am

George Street-Bridge wrote:It is simply not true that no thought has been given to a new ground all the way back to 1989 - which is a bogus date anyway given we had to spend the next five years sorting out the FAW - and Stan is well aware of this as we discussed an earlier plan here. Most recently a year ago, but before that too.

To recap: The proposal was for a ground to the west of town, on land belonging to Tredegar Park Golf Club in the gap between the M4 and Forge Road. It would have been part of a bigger retail or business park and like other grounds in that era, the developer must have wanted one or more facilities with a community benefit to ease the planning process.

A consultant representing the developer made a presentation to a meeting of the Over the Bridge Exiles in Basingstoke. Other supporters I know were more sceptical than me, and they called it dead right. The guy was a bit flash and had some previous with other clubs, but even if it had all been kosher the location would still have been terrible so far out of town.

It was a lesson in some of the pitfalls involved and it gives the lie to any suggestion the club has never investigated the possibilities.



The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Whatever thought may have been given we ended up at Spytty Park which was and is a totally unsuitable venue for League football. We are now at Rodney Parade. I need say no more.

If you wish to remain in 1995 you may do so. However for those of us who realize it is 2021 we know we have to address the problem of having a fit for purpose stadium. That can only be done if we all work together. This argument that we don't know what is being done behind closed doors will no longer suffice, because after 32 years of behind closed doors discussion we know the result. Paying rent for a barely adequate stadium and a totally inadequate pitch.

So once again. To those who can, should and must start the ball rolling.

If not now, when?
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George Street-Bridge

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby George Street-Bridge » February 21st, 2021, 11:32 am

Absolutely. My point is it's unhelpful if the path that has led us to where we are is misrepresented by false claims the club has never looked into the possibilities.

Saying we need a fit-for-purpose ground is no great insight, it applies to every club at every level. For what it's worth my view is that's Rodney Parade and I'd rule out Spytty because it's too far out. Not too far out from pubs, but from public transport.

I think Rodney Parade needs us just as much as we need it and I'm sure this close to renewal it's being worked on intensely. I'm disappointed County's interests went straight out the window when Cardiff Blues flashed the cash. I think that also damaged the Dragons because it dented their credibility with County supporters.

Three possibles:
- NRFC to play only a very limited number of games at RP at times of the year when the pitch isn't under stress;
- an artificial pitch on the cabbage patch for NRFC, with limited spectator accommodation mostly in a two-sided stand at the North Terrace because of the narrowness of the site;
- one I've seen suggested only this week which would need council support. Resite the school to the cabbage patch and build a new stadium across the school and bus depot sites.
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Stan A. Einstein

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby Stan A. Einstein » February 21st, 2021, 11:50 am

George Street-Bridge wrote:Absolutely. My point is it's unhelpful if the path that has led us to where we are is misrepresented by false claims the club has never looked into the possibilities.

Saying we need a fit-for-purpose ground is no great insight, it applies to every club at every level. For what it's worth my view is that's Rodney Parade and I'd rule out Spytty because it's too far out. Not too far out from pubs, but from public transport.

I think Rodney Parade needs us just as much as we need it and I'm sure this close to renewal it's being worked on intensely. I'm disappointed County's interests went straight out the window when Cardiff Blues flashed the cash. I think that also damaged the Dragons because it dented their credibility with County supporters.

Three possibles:
- NRFC to play only a very limited number of games at RP at times of the year when the pitch isn't under stress;
- an artificial pitch on the cabbage patch for NRFC, with limited spectator accommodation mostly in a two-sided stand at the North Terrace because of the narrowness of the site;
- one I've seen suggested only this week which would need council support. Resite the school to the cabbage patch and build a new stadium across the school and bus depot sites.


Totally disagree.

Here is not a possibility but the all consuming probability. As any scientist will tell you the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

The owners of Rodney Parade, now the WRU will say the following. It's our stadium, pay the rent or get out. The idea that the WRU needs us as much as we need them is totally ludicrous. Let me explain.

Scenario 1. Newport County say to the WRU 'we are leaving Rodney Parade'. What do you think the WRU are likely to do? Go down on their knees and beg us to stay because if we do that the WRU would be in deep doodoo?


Scenario 2. The WRU say to Newport County that they, the WRU, will not be renewing our license to play at Rodney Parade. Other than going down on our knees and begging for mercy, what else can we do?

And whether or not any thought has been given over the last 32 years to stadium provision by boards of directors at Newport County, and I believe there must have been, having all these behind closed doors has done f@ck all good has it? So we need a proper open debate involving us all. and....

If not now, when?
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Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby Beechwood Boy » February 23rd, 2021, 10:43 am

If a fit-for-purpose stadium does eventually get built, will it run sustainably and still be County's home in 5/10 years time?
It's one thing raising the money to build, but will there be enough in the pot, or a sound business plan, to continue it?
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Collars

Re: Stadium Discussion(s)

Postby Collars » February 23rd, 2021, 11:57 am

George Street-Bridge wrote:Absolutely. My point is it's unhelpful if the path that has led us to where we are is misrepresented by false claims the club has never looked into the possibilities.

Saying we need a fit-for-purpose ground is no great insight, it applies to every club at every level. For what it's worth my view is that's Rodney Parade and I'd rule out Spytty because it's too far out. Not too far out from pubs, but from public transport.

I think Rodney Parade needs us just as much as we need it and I'm sure this close to renewal it's being worked on intensely. I'm disappointed County's interests went straight out the window when Cardiff Blues flashed the cash. I think that also damaged the Dragons because it dented their credibility with County supporters.

Three possibles:
- NRFC to play only a very limited number of games at RP at times of the year when the pitch isn't under stress;
- an artificial pitch on the cabbage patch for NRFC, with limited spectator accommodation mostly in a two-sided stand at the North Terrace because of the narrowness of the site;
- one I've seen suggested only this week which would need council support. Resite the school to the cabbage patch and build a new stadium across the school and bus depot sites.


So my thinking was the opposite of what Tottenham do. An artificial pitch on rails, sited on the cabbage patch but which could be wheeled in under the North terrace/stand (whatever it ends up being) and over the grass pitch for rugby matches and then wheeled back out on the cabbage patch afterwards. Could be used for training/community etc on non-match days. Problem I see is then we are the only ones that need grass so I don't know what impact that has on costs to the County. However, would certainly be overall a cheaper option than starting again on the school site.
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