Rodney Parade

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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby JonD » July 23rd, 2020, 9:50 pm

Ok, I confess I'm not a roofer.

An awful lot of rainwater pours off the <whatever it's called these days> stand near the dugouts.

Why can't this rain water (or at least some of it) be diverted elsewhere?
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby allontheamber » July 24th, 2020, 7:46 am

Love all this talk about a multi use stadium with speedway. Now all we need to find is a stadium in Newport with a track around it. Oh...hang on a minute.
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby Collars » July 24th, 2020, 11:27 am

I remember going to County's FA Cup tie at Poole in the mid-80's sometime. I spent most of the time concerned about falling off the ramshackle structure we were in but I seem to recall a speedway track and that the corner flag was pretty much on a piece of cardboard which seemed to complete the corner of the pitch that had been worn away by the speedway!
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby NearlyDead » July 24th, 2020, 11:28 am

I wouldn't get wedded to speedway. It is on the wane in the UK, but seems popular in places like Poland. But then snooker popularity waned badly at one point. As in all things pro sport, it's how you market it.

Multi-user is the issue, for the reasons I stated. Who the other users are is largely immaterial.

And if we do stay at RP, then I'm firmly of the opinion that the pitch should be modular, not monolithic. At least then we can take it away with us!
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby allontheamber » July 24th, 2020, 5:41 pm

Lots of Poles in S Wales now so we should be on a winner
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby lowandhard » July 29th, 2020, 9:43 pm

halfmoon wrote:All this talk of a multi-purpose stadium. We're already in prime position for a multi-use stadium situation.

I still maintain that, when the Dragons become independent of the WRU (which is the ambition), there will come a point where they need other parties to share a stake in the stadium, because it's highly doubtful that they'd be able to do it on their own and stay financially solvent. We need to make sure we're front of the queue to take joint equal ownership of Rodney Parade when that time comes. That's far more realistic a prospect than building our own stadium, either on our own or alongside another sporting outfit that doesn't actually exist.


I seldom come on here these days but was moved to by this post. I have seen another post on here that seeks to pursue the ownership of our own ground. While that is a laudable ambition , I seriously doubt our ability to achieve, which is not saying I wouldn’t support such a project if it proved feasible/necessary. Having said that I believe the above post is spot on and points out the painfully bloody obvious.
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby NearlyDead » July 30th, 2020, 12:09 pm

lowandhard wrote:
halfmoon wrote:All this talk of a multi-purpose stadium. We're already in prime position for a multi-use stadium situation.

I still maintain that, when the Dragons become independent of the WRU (which is the ambition), there will come a point where they need other parties to share a stake in the stadium, because it's highly doubtful that they'd be able to do it on their own and stay financially solvent. We need to make sure we're front of the queue to take joint equal ownership of Rodney Parade when that time comes. That's far more realistic a prospect than building our own stadium, either on our own or alongside another sporting outfit that doesn't actually exist.


I seldom come on here these days but was moved to by this post. I have seen another post on here that seeks to pursue the ownership of our own ground. While that is a laudable ambition , I seriously doubt our ability to achieve, which is not saying I wouldn’t support such a project if it proved feasible/necessary. Having said that I believe the above post is spot on and points out the painfully bloody obvious.


The danger in this plan (and there are dangers in every plan, or lack thereof, of course) is whether the Dragons, when they go private, will be a going concern in the medium to long term. The history of pro-rugby in Wales since regionalisation suggests this is an unlikely scenario. The converse is also a possibility of course, since football clubs are not paragons of profitability!

Do you have a two-tier structure? The new venture that is "New RP Ltd", with Dragons and NCAFC the level below. Separate boards. If the owners of the ground are the joint venture New RP Ltd, then we'd still effectively be tenants in such a structure (i.e. not too different from our current status). This was a similar set-up with the Dragons and NRFC and RP Ltd, IIRC, and it hasn't done NRFC any favours.

If New RP Ltd is the only part of the enterprise that can raise the capital against the value of the ground to keep one or the other entity solvent or to "invest", what does that do to the other party when the other goes to the begging bowl? The individual entities' holdings in the ground would be in danger of being subsumed in a mounting debt of the other party and possibly lead to both going under. And if there is equal representation on the New RP Ltd board, what happens if the one party vetoes the request to raise capital? A recipe for the constructive bankruptcy of the other party?

Or do you have a one-tier structure with equal ownership and some sort of independent arbitration entity to sort disputes? Again, should the need arise to borrow against the value of the ground, where would that put the other party? Better than under a two-tier structure probably, since the debt is accrued only on one side of the venture. But then you have a third interest in the property.
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Re: Rodney Parade

Postby faerun exile » July 30th, 2020, 2:27 pm

NearlyDead wrote:
lowandhard wrote:
halfmoon wrote:All this talk of a multi-purpose stadium. We're already in prime position for a multi-use stadium situation.

I still maintain that, when the Dragons become independent of the WRU (which is the ambition), there will come a point where they need other parties to share a stake in the stadium, because it's highly doubtful that they'd be able to do it on their own and stay financially solvent. We need to make sure we're front of the queue to take joint equal ownership of Rodney Parade when that time comes. That's far more realistic a prospect than building our own stadium, either on our own or alongside another sporting outfit that doesn't actually exist.


I seldom come on here these days but was moved to by this post. I have seen another post on here that seeks to pursue the ownership of our own ground. While that is a laudable ambition , I seriously doubt our ability to achieve, which is not saying I wouldn’t support such a project if it proved feasible/necessary. Having said that I believe the above post is spot on and points out the painfully bloody obvious.


The danger in this plan (and there are dangers in every plan, or lack thereof, of course) is whether the Dragons, when they go private, will be a going concern in the medium to long term. The history of pro-rugby in Wales since regionalisation suggests this is an unlikely scenario. The converse is also a possibility of course, since football clubs are not paragons of profitability!

Do you have a two-tier structure? The new venture that is "New RP Ltd", with Dragons and NCAFC the level below. Separate boards. If the owners of the ground are the joint venture New RP Ltd, then we'd still effectively be tenants in such a structure (i.e. not too different from our current status). This was a similar set-up with the Dragons and NRFC and RP Ltd, IIRC, and it hasn't done NRFC any favours.

If New RP Ltd is the only part of the enterprise that can raise the capital against the value of the ground to keep one or the other entity solvent or to "invest", what does that do to the other party when the other goes to the begging bowl? The individual entities' holdings in the ground would be in danger of being subsumed in a mounting debt of the other party and possibly lead to both going under. And if there is equal representation on the New RP Ltd board, what happens if the one party vetoes the request to raise capital? A recipe for the constructive bankruptcy of the other party?

Or do you have a one-tier structure with equal ownership and some sort of independent Woarbitration entity to sort disputes? Again, should the need arise to borrow against the value of the ground, where would that put the other party? Better than under a two-tier structure probably, since the debt is accrued only on one side of the venture. But then you have a third interest in the property.


Dragons aren’t a short, medium or long term going concern unless they change their name to Newport - might then have a chance of getting half decent crowds and a team worthy of representing our great city. The Buttress vanity project is going nowhere - been there 3 years next month and bugger all to show for it.
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