I hope all posters on here stay safe and you and your families enjoy whatever brief moments you are allowed to celebrate....
Cherish family and friends and let's remember there's light at the end of the tunnel as the vaccine is rolled out.

mad norm wrote:I hope all posters on here stay safe and you and your families enjoy whatever brief moments you are allowed to celebrate....
Cherish family and friends and let's remember there's light at the end of the tunnel as the vaccine is rolled out.

Hope your optimism about the light at the end of the tunnel is correct. Not yet 100% convinced personally.

Yes, I echo your thoughts oh mad one. Wish everyone a safe and healthy Xmas and New Year with the best present being a covid vaccination for those who want it. I had the flu jab on Friday and asked the nurse when I'm likely to get the covid jab and was told not before March.

I have a little bit of 'insider knowledge' and have seen a sensible suggestion that compulsory national ID cards will be rolled-out next year, with data on them showing the dates when we were vaccinated against covid. And businesses won't be able to get insured unless they check their customers have all had the jab. So, those bleating on about anti-vax conspiracies will be left at home ordering everything online and refused entry to pubs, shops etc. Although I recognise there is an element of fear and distrust amongst some (maybe feeling the vaccinations have been rushed, long-term side-effects unclear) I think we have to trust the scientists and medics, just like I did when I had my flu jab.

ID cards will also be useful in terms of supporting what those who voted to leave the EU wanted, tighter immigration, employment and tax laws.

So, unless HMG's plan is truly 'herd immunity' (vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable first & let the rest of us continue spreading the disease and build up a level of immunity) then we're in this for the long haul. I don't expect anyone to be travelling abroad (other than those who need to for work plus the selfish who feel they're entitled to their 2 weeks in the sun) for at least a year. I also regrettably think we'll see a few pro clubs go out of business in the summer once furlough has ended and the reality of future low crowds and no income kicks in. More importantly, though, I feel the UK will change permanently with hopefully more manufacturing jobs as we resort to making rather than importing stuff, but far fewer office and public sector jobs. My long-term prediction is that Amazon will end up branching out and eventually will form a super power in world government, more's the pity.

I wish you all well, stay safe and look after your family, friends and community. I'm moving on soon to start a new chapter in my life but will continue to follow County from afar.

MASSIVE respect


A brilliant take on where we all are

DeePeeNCAFC wrote:Yes, I echo your thoughts oh mad one. Wish everyone a safe and healthy Xmas and New Year with the best present being a covid vaccination for those who want it. I had the flu jab on Friday and asked the nurse when I'm likely to get the covid jab and was told not before March.

I have a little bit of 'insider knowledge' and have seen a sensible suggestion that compulsory national ID cards will be rolled-out next year, with data on them showing the dates when we were vaccinated against covid. And businesses won't be able to get insured unless they check their customers have all had the jab. So, those bleating on about anti-vax conspiracies will be left at home ordering everything online and refused entry to pubs, shops etc. Although I recognise there is an element of fear and distrust amongst some (maybe feeling the vaccinations have been rushed, long-term side-effects unclear) I think we have to trust the scientists and medics, just like I did when I had my flu jab.

ID cards will also be useful in terms of supporting what those who voted to leave the EU wanted, tighter immigration, employment and tax laws.

So, unless HMG's plan is truly 'herd immunity' (vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable first & let the rest of us continue spreading the disease and build up a level of immunity) then we're in this for the long haul. I don't expect anyone to be travelling abroad (other than those who need to for work plus the selfish who feel they're entitled to their 2 weeks in the sun) for at least a year. I also regrettably think we'll see a few pro clubs go out of business in the summer once furlough has ended and the reality of future low crowds and no income kicks in. More importantly, though, I feel the UK will change permanently with hopefully more manufacturing jobs as we resort to making rather than importing stuff, but far fewer office and public sector jobs. My long-term prediction is that Amazon will end up branching out and eventually will form a super power in world government, more's the pity.

I wish you all well, stay safe and look after your family, friends and community. I'm moving on soon to start a new chapter in my life but will continue to follow County from afar.

Interesting I work in NHS but been advised not to take vaccine because I've unknown allergies and have to carry an epipen had 2 bad reactions in last 3 years so how would I fair with the id card idea

DeePeeNCAFC wrote:Yes, I echo your thoughts oh mad one. Wish everyone a safe and healthy Xmas and New Year with the best present being a covid vaccination for those who want it. I had the flu jab on Friday and asked the nurse when I'm likely to get the covid jab and was told not before March.

I have a little bit of 'insider knowledge' and have seen a sensible suggestion that compulsory national ID cards will be rolled-out next year, with data on them showing the dates when we were vaccinated against covid. And businesses won't be able to get insured unless they check their customers have all had the jab. So, those bleating on about anti-vax conspiracies will be left at home ordering everything online and refused entry to pubs, shops etc. Although I recognise there is an element of fear and distrust amongst some (maybe feeling the vaccinations have been rushed, long-term side-effects unclear) I think we have to trust the scientists and medics, just like I did when I had my flu jab.

ID cards will also be useful in terms of supporting what those who voted to leave the EU wanted, tighter immigration, employment and tax laws.

So, unless HMG's plan is truly 'herd immunity' (vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable first & let the rest of us continue spreading the disease and build up a level of immunity) then we're in this for the long haul. I don't expect anyone to be travelling abroad (other than those who need to for work plus the selfish who feel they're entitled to their 2 weeks in the sun) for at least a year. I also regrettably think we'll see a few pro clubs go out of business in the summer once furlough has ended and the reality of future low crowds and no income kicks in. More importantly, though, I feel the UK will change permanently with hopefully more manufacturing jobs as we resort to making rather than importing stuff, but far fewer office and public sector jobs. My long-term prediction is that Amazon will end up branching out and eventually will form a super power in world government, more's the pity.

I wish you all well, stay safe and look after your family, friends and community. I'm moving on soon to start a new chapter in my life but will continue to follow County from afar.

These mental conspiracy theorists don't want to be forced to do anything so shunning them is the best option, but this government can't handle something as complicated as ID cards.

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DeePeeNCAFC wrote:Yes, I echo your thoughts oh mad one. Wish everyone a safe and healthy Xmas and New Year with the best present being a covid vaccination for those who want it. I had the flu jab on Friday and asked the nurse when I'm likely to get the covid jab and was told not before March.

I have a little bit of 'insider knowledge' and have seen a sensible suggestion that compulsory national ID cards will be rolled-out next year, with data on them showing the dates when we were vaccinated against covid. And businesses won't be able to get insured unless they check their customers have all had the jab. So, those bleating on about anti-vax conspiracies will be left at home ordering everything online and refused entry to pubs, shops etc. Although I recognise there is an element of fear and distrust amongst some (maybe feeling the vaccinations have been rushed, long-term side-effects unclear) I think we have to trust the scientists and medics, just like I did when I had my flu jab.

ID cards will also be useful in terms of supporting what those who voted to leave the EU wanted, tighter immigration, employment and tax laws.

So, unless HMG's plan is truly 'herd immunity' (vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable first & let the rest of us continue spreading the disease and build up a level of immunity) then we're in this for the long haul. I don't expect anyone to be travelling abroad (other than those who need to for work plus the selfish who feel they're entitled to their 2 weeks in the sun) for at least a year. I also regrettably think we'll see a few pro clubs go out of business in the summer once furlough has ended and the reality of future low crowds and no income kicks in. More importantly, though, I feel the UK will change permanently with hopefully more manufacturing jobs as we resort to making rather than importing stuff, but far fewer office and public sector jobs. My long-term prediction is that Amazon will end up branching out and eventually will form a super power in world government, more's the pity.

I wish you all well, stay safe and look after your family, friends and community. I'm moving on soon to start a new chapter in my life but will continue to follow County from afar.

Interesting I work in NHS but been advised not to take vaccine because I've unknown allergies and have to carry an epipen had 2 bad reactions in last 3 years so how would I fair with the id card idea

The Pfizer vaccine caused an allergic reaction in two NHS staff when it was first given last week. Those with allergies in the NHS are advised not to have this one. I’m in that category.

I’m waiting for the Oxford Astra Zenica vaccine when the MHRA say it is OK. May be any day now. The country has millions of them ready to be rolled out and they don’t have to be stored at -80 degrees. Care homes are waiting for these. This one will be the ‘game changer’.

Edit. One other thing to remember when you go for the Covid jab. You cannot have it if you have received the flu jab in the past week. Prioritise. Be careful when you go for your flu jab.

I'm getting my vaccine early in the new year. (first few weeks of January), I don't care which one but I will take my chances of being vaccinated rather than catch Covid.
Millions get the flu vaccine each year, even that can cause a reaction in some people but we are advised to take it if we are in the 'at risk' category and that's had years of research.

I had the flu vaccine a month ago - by invitation from my GP surgery as they are rolling it out to over 50's up here. No reaction thankfully.
They had vaccine clinics running on a Saturday - very efficient one way system through the building with all GP consulting rooms in use - I reckon in was in there 5 mins from door to door. If it was a dry run for the Covid roll-out then they should make good progress.

I don't expect the vaccine to come my way until 2022 but there are now murmurings of vaccinating school children as a priority, so stop them spreading it upwards?

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The Government promised, or at least talked about uni students being tested and possibly vaccinated before they left uni to return to family ones for Xmas. My lad left Swansea Uni without being tested or vaccinated. So much for that promise.

I personally think it will be a long haul getting more than 50% of the UK population vaccinated before lockdowns can be eased. 50% is the figure when the virus stops spreading as rapidly I believe.

So start with NHS and emergency workers, then the 75+s then those with asthma and other respiratory problems, then the 50+s and finally those younger folk. That's how I'd do it anyway. I'm not an anti-vax moaner by any means, but my guess is that at least one of the vaccinations will be found not to work effectively or maybe cause some nasty side-effects until they can tinker and improve it. It's bound to happen with several different brands and a fair proportion of the population being allergic to something as they are with penycilin (15% of people are allergic I read).

My advice to anyone though is to make a rational decision if offered the jab, and weigh up the pros and cons. The bottom line is you either have the vaccination or face a higher level of risk plus possibly exclusion from shops, pubs, restaurants etc.

I'd add teachers and lecturers to the priority list - the government insistence that education must resume in the new year will be pointless if teachers and lecturers are infected in great numbers.

I think the priority groups recently published are cast in stone. However, the authorities are having trouble implementing the list. The -80 degree requirement for the Pfizer vaccine is a hindrance.

Fingers crossed that the Oxford vaccine will be approved soon. No specialist temperature requirement is needed there. That way they can get them out to the retirement homes and protect the elderly who are vulnerable at the moment. Just hope this one doesn’t cause adverse reactions like the Pfizer one has in a few people.

My own opinion (having seen what my daughter has done) is that front line NHS staff who have patient facing situations to deal with should be done first. However, no life is more important than others but we have to decide how we can save as many lives as possible. Protect the helpers I say.

pembsexile wrote:I think the priority groups recently published are cast in stone. However, the authorities are having trouble implementing the list. The -80 degree requirement for the Pfizer vaccine is a hindrance.

Fingers crossed that the Oxford vaccine will be approved soon. No specialist temperature requirement is needed there. That way they can get them out to the retirement homes and protect the elderly who are vulnerable at the moment. Just hope this one doesn’t cause adverse reactions like the Pfizer one has in a few people.

My own opinion (having seen what my daughter has done) is that front line NHS staff who have patient facing situations to deal with should be done first. However, no life is more important than others but we have to decide how we can save as many lives as possible. Protect the helpers I say.

Perhaps the ratio could be optimised by excluding the reckless - starting with the several hundred British skiers who simultaneously fled Switzerland to swerve their local lockdown..................