Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:54 am

I also think that we should have banned pro Palestine marches from the off like a lot of mainland Europe did. Not doing so has led to the 2 tier policing that you're seeing the Met have to adopt to prevent widespread violence. It didn't have to be like this.

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 13th, 2023, 12:04 pm

Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:54 am

I also think that we should have banned pro Palestine marches from the off like a lot of mainland Europe did. Not doing so has led to the 2 tier policing that you're seeing the Met have to adopt to prevent widespread violence. It didn't have to be like this.

You either believe in freedom of speech or you don't. I do. People march for all sorts of reasons. Some of which I agree with, some of which I don't. Sometimes people march in favour of things which I deeply oppose. I defend the right of those people who disagree with me to march.

Could you name the lots of mainland European countries which have banned marches calling for a ceasefire in Gaza?

Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 13th, 2023, 12:30 pm

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 13th, 2023, 12:04 pm

Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:54 am

I also think that we should have banned pro Palestine marches from the off like a lot of mainland Europe did. Not doing so has led to the 2 tier policing that you're seeing the Met have to adopt to prevent widespread violence. It didn't have to be like this.

You either believe in freedom of speech or you don't. I do. People march for all sorts of reasons. Some of which I agree with, some of which I don't. Sometimes people march in favour of things which I deeply oppose. I defend the right of those people who disagree with me to march.

Could you name the lots of mainland European countries which have banned marches calling for a ceasefire in Gaza?

I do too up to a point but we clearly have a difference of opinion on where the line is. From memory France have, the DACH region and Hungary. It sounds like you're about to contest this!

Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:54 am I think the punishment for chanting hate at a footy match should be education & rehabilitation not massive bans. I also think that catching one moron at a time and ruining their lives isn't going to stop thousands at a time chanting Munich v Hillsborough insults or WHAM fans hissing at Spurs fans for example.

I also think that we should have banned pro Palestine marches from the off like a lot of mainland Europe did. Not doing so has led to the 2 tier policing that you're seeing the Met have to adopt to prevent widespread violence. It didn't have to be like this.

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 6:36 pm

North London Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 5:37 pm

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pm

Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.

Nonsense.

You can't freely chant anti-semitism on the streets. And rightly so.

Calling out Netanyahu's band of thugs is not anti -semitic. Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli state as repulsive as I do. People who kill children, whether they be Hamas or the Israeli Defence Forces dehumanize the world and shame us all.

You don't speak for Jews, mate, whatever your pretensions.

Like most you conveniently leave out the raping of women and the seizing of hostages to trade for "children" who are facing charges of attempted murder.

Ireland has become a cesspit of antisemitism, it seems.

Looking forward to seeing a lot of my people at Barnet tonight, even if I'm cheering for the other side.

What part of my condemnation of Hamas is troubling you?

Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born. This my people, your people etc is just total bollox. Until idiots like you learn that we are all people, and if a loving God exists, that love is equally shared, we are all the poorer.

Get a life.

North London Exile wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:48 pm

Let's have a comparison: Christy Moore once wrote a song about the 1936 Irish International Brigade, which contained the memorable lines on their enemies:
"When the Bishops blessed the blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire, as they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain."

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 14th, 2023, 12:46 am

North London Exile wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:48 pm

Let's have a comparison: Christy Moore once wrote a song about the 1936 Irish International Brigade, which contained the memorable lines on their enemies:
"When the Bishops blessed the blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire, as they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain."

Ten years before I saw the light of morning,
A comradeship of heroes was laid
From every corner of the world came sailing
The fifteenth international brigade

They came to stand beside the Spanish people
To try to stem the rising fascist tide
Franco's allies were the powerful and wealthy,
Frank Ryan's men came from the other side

Even the olives were bleeding
As the battle for Madrid it thundered on
Truth and love against the force of evil
Brotherhood against the fascist clan

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaan the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

Bob Hilliard was a Church of Ireland Pastor
From Killarney across the Pyrenees he came
From Derry came a brave young Christian Brother
Side by side they fough and died in Spain

Tommy Woods age seventeen died in Cordoba
With Na Fianna he learned to hold his gun
From Dublin ro the Villa del Rio
Where he fought and died beneath the Spanish sun

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

Many irishmen heard the call of Franco
Joinrd Hitler and Mussolini too
Propaganda from pulpit and newspapers
Helped O'Duffy to gather up his crew

And the word came from the Church support the Nazis
The men of cloth failed again
When the Bishops blessed the Blue Shirts down in Galway
As they sailed beneath the swastika for Spain

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

This song is a tribute to Frank Ryan
Kit Conway and Dinny Coady too
Peter Daly, Charlie Regan and Hugh Bonner
Though many died I can but name a few

Danny Boyle, Blaser-Brown and Charlie Donnelly
Liam Tumlinson and Jim Straney from Short Strand
Jack Nalty, Tommy Patton and Frank Conroy
Jim Foley, Tony Fox and Dick O'Neil.

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

The song you refer to in full. As you see it is an anti-fascist anthem. And in case you're in any doubt you have just made a complete fool of yourself.

You make my point. Every country has a number of right wing nutters. Those nutters kill children. Eoin O'Duffy and his Blueshirts in Ireland. Oswald Mosely and his Blackshirts in Britain. Benjamin Netanyahu and his thugs in Israel. Hamas in Gaza. They are all the f@cking same.

Torquay Exile wrote: December 14th, 2023, 2:10 am

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 14th, 2023, 12:46 am

North London Exile wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:48 pm

Let's have a comparison: Christy Moore once wrote a song about the 1936 Irish International Brigade, which contained the memorable lines on their enemies:
"When the Bishops blessed the blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire, as they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain."

Ten years before I saw the light of morning,
A comradeship of heroes was laid
From every corner of the world came sailing
The fifteenth international brigade

They came to stand beside the Spanish people
To try to stem the rising fascist tide
Franco's allies were the powerful and wealthy,
Frank Ryan's men came from the other side

Even the olives were bleeding
As the battle for Madrid it thundered on
Truth and love against the force of evil
Brotherhood against the fascist clan

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaan the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

Bob Hilliard was a Church of Ireland Pastor
From Killarney across the Pyrenees he came
From Derry came a brave young Christian Brother
Side by side they fough and died in Spain

Tommy Woods age seventeen died in Cordoba
With Na Fianna he learned to hold his gun
From Dublin ro the Villa del Rio
Where he fought and died beneath the Spanish sun

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

Many irishmen heard the call of Franco
Joinrd Hitler and Mussolini too
Propaganda from pulpit and newspapers
Helped O'Duffy to gather up his crew

And the word came from the Church support the Nazis
The men of cloth failed again
When the Bishops blessed the Blue Shirts down in Galway
As they sailed beneath the swastika for Spain

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

This song is a tribute to Frank Ryan
Kit Conway and Dinny Coady too
Peter Daly, Charlie Regan and Hugh Bonner
Though many died I can but name a few

Danny Boyle, Blaser-Brown and Charlie Donnelly
Liam Tumlinson and Jim Straney from Short Strand
Jack Nalty, Tommy Patton and Frank Conroy
Jim Foley, Tony Fox and Dick O'Neil.

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

The song you refer to in full. As you see it is an anti-fascist anthem. And in case you're in any doubt you have just made a complete fool of yourself.

You make my point. Every country has a number of right wing nutters. Those nutters kill children. Eoin O'Duffy and his Blueshirts in Ireland. Oswald Mosely and his Blackshirts in Britain. Benjamin Netanyahu and his thugs in Israel. Hamas in Gaza. They are all the f@cking same.

Everyone loves a Copy and Paste. Isn't that right Stan The Terrible?

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 14th, 2023, 10:38 am Mankind was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were, all, my business.

Jacob Marley.

A Christmas Carol. Charles Dickens.

No matter this thread has been brought down into the gutter by squalid little racists the truth is thst regardless of faith or lack of faith, most of us want a world where no child fears the gun or the bomb or hunger. Those who wish to call entire countries cesspits, those who see only the suffering of one side in war, they are the minority.

As later in the same novel Dickens pointed out there are two great evils. Want and Ignorance. I just hope that North London Exile's ignorance is lifted. A child screaming in terror as he or she is obliterated endures the same horror whether they are Israeli or Palestinian.

Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 14th, 2023, 12:46 am

North London Exile wrote: December 13th, 2023, 11:48 pm

Let's have a comparison: Christy Moore once wrote a song about the 1936 Irish International Brigade, which contained the memorable lines on their enemies:
"When the Bishops blessed the blueshirts in Dun Laoghaire, as they sailed beneath the swastika to Spain."

Ten years before I saw the light of morning,
A comradeship of heroes was laid
From every corner of the world came sailing
The fifteenth international brigade

They came to stand beside the Spanish people
To try to stem the rising fascist tide
Franco's allies were the powerful and wealthy,
Frank Ryan's men came from the other side

Even the olives were bleeding
As the battle for Madrid it thundered on
Truth and love against the force of evil
Brotherhood against the fascist clan

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaan the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

Bob Hilliard was a Church of Ireland Pastor
From Killarney across the Pyrenees he came
From Derry came a brave young Christian Brother
Side by side they fough and died in Spain

Tommy Woods age seventeen died in Cordoba
With Na Fianna he learned to hold his gun
From Dublin ro the Villa del Rio
Where he fought and died beneath the Spanish sun

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

Many irishmen heard the call of Franco
Joinrd Hitler and Mussolini too
Propaganda from pulpit and newspapers
Helped O'Duffy to gather up his crew

And the word came from the Church support the Nazis
The men of cloth failed again
When the Bishops blessed the Blue Shirts down in Galway
As they sailed beneath the swastika for Spain

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

This song is a tribute to Frank Ryan
Kit Conway and Dinny Coady too
Peter Daly, Charlie Regan and Hugh Bonner
Though many died I can but name a few

Danny Boyle, Blaser-Brown and Charlie Donnelly
Liam Tumlinson and Jim Straney from Short Strand
Jack Nalty, Tommy Patton and Frank Conroy
Jim Foley, Tony Fox and Dick O'Neil.

Vive la Quiente Brigada
No Pasaran the pledge that made them fight
Adelante is the cry around the hillsides
Let us all remember them tonight

The song you refer to in full. As you see it is an anti-fascist anthem. And in case you're in any doubt you have just made a complete fool of yourself.

You make my point. Every country has a number of right wing nutters. Those nutters kill children. Eoin O'Duffy and his Blueshirts in Ireland. Oswald Mosely and his Blackshirts in Britain. Benjamin Netanyahu and his thugs in Israel. Hamas in Gaza. They are all the f@cking same.

North London Exile wrote: February 8th, 2024, 8:11 pm
Unlike you, I have actually met Christy Moore. I don't need lectures from Stage Irishmen.