Re: Matic
4I don't have a problem with anyone who does, or doesn't, wear a poppy - only the existence of people who don't know what it means or don't feel commemorating tragedy is important. I don't believe either player takes the decision lightly or fails to understand the symbolism.
Frankly it's just pointless posturing by the thought police, in the most ironic way possible.
I'm also quite amused at the idea that McClean might have been censured for his use of a dubious term to describe an irish catholic, i.e. himself in a tweet. Careful with that "we know what we are" chant...![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
Frankly it's just pointless posturing by the thought police, in the most ironic way possible.
I'm also quite amused at the idea that McClean might have been censured for his use of a dubious term to describe an irish catholic, i.e. himself in a tweet. Careful with that "we know what we are" chant...
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Re: Matic
6In a wierd way, by virtue of giving an explanation he has calmed the waters. He would be in much more flack in his homeland if he had worn it compared to the flack he gets here for not wearing it.
Serbia is not exactly a close ally of the West since NATO bombed Serbia when he was 12. Norm says he shouldn't have to explain himself. In this instance, I disagree. I can understand his (Matic) point. Hopefully reasonably informed people will understand now why he chooses not to wear it. For him, it is a valid reason. He hasn't done it for inflammatory reasons to score points etc.
Not sure why the 'Poppy Police' were brought into this one by the previous poster. No need for it.
Serbia is not exactly a close ally of the West since NATO bombed Serbia when he was 12. Norm says he shouldn't have to explain himself. In this instance, I disagree. I can understand his (Matic) point. Hopefully reasonably informed people will understand now why he chooses not to wear it. For him, it is a valid reason. He hasn't done it for inflammatory reasons to score points etc.
Not sure why the 'Poppy Police' were brought into this one by the previous poster. No need for it.
Re: Matic
7No need for what? Without them, Matic wouldn't need to make a statement.pembsexile wrote:In a wierd way, by virtue of giving an explanation he has calmed the waters. He would be in much more flack in his homeland if he had worn it compared to the flack he gets here for not wearing it.
Serbia is not exactly a close ally of the West since NATO bombed Serbia when he was 12. Norm says he shouldn't have to explain himself. In this instance, I disagree. I can understand his (Matic) point. Hopefully reasonably informed people will understand now why he chooses not to wear it. For him, it is a valid reason. He hasn't done it for inflammatory reasons to score points etc.
Not sure why the 'Poppy Police' were brought into this one by the previous poster. No need for it.
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Re: Matic
10So who exactly are the Poppy Police you refer to? A poster on this thread or members of the general public who sometimes complain about the non wearing of poppies.DT1892 wrote:No need for what? Without them, Matic wouldn't need to make a statement.pembsexile wrote:In a wierd way, by virtue of giving an explanation he has calmed the waters. He would be in much more flack in his homeland if he had worn it compared to the flack he gets here for not wearing it.
Serbia is not exactly a close ally of the West since NATO bombed Serbia when he was 12. Norm says he shouldn't have to explain himself. In this instance, I disagree. I can understand his (Matic) point. Hopefully reasonably informed people will understand now why he chooses not to wear it. For him, it is a valid reason. He hasn't done it for inflammatory reasons to score points etc.
Not sure why the 'Poppy Police' were brought into this one by the previous poster. No need for it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone questioning why some people don't wear a poppy. Matic has given a reasoned response as to why he will not wear one. Good on him. As I said, I hope people now understand.
The Royal British Legion give a good explanation of the 'to wear on not to wear' a poppy. Ultimately it is personal choice. Matic has chosen.
The term Poppy Police is uneccessary and confrontational. Nobody should be called that term because they question why people don't wear one.
Re: Matic
11If I was referring to anyone in this thread, I'd have quoted them. Nor have I said there is anything wrong with questioning, although it really is nobody else's business.pembsexile wrote:So who exactly are the Poppy Police you refer to? A poster on this thread or members of the general public who sometimes complain about the non wearing of poppies.DT1892 wrote:No need for what? Without them, Matic wouldn't need to make a statement.pembsexile wrote:In a wierd way, by virtue of giving an explanation he has calmed the waters. He would be in much more flack in his homeland if he had worn it compared to the flack he gets here for not wearing it.
Serbia is not exactly a close ally of the West since NATO bombed Serbia when he was 12. Norm says he shouldn't have to explain himself. In this instance, I disagree. I can understand his (Matic) point. Hopefully reasonably informed people will understand now why he chooses not to wear it. For him, it is a valid reason. He hasn't done it for inflammatory reasons to score points etc.
Not sure why the 'Poppy Police' were brought into this one by the previous poster. No need for it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with someone questioning why some people don't wear a poppy. Matic has given a reasoned response as to why he will not wear one. Good on him. As I said, I hope people now understand.
The Royal British Legion give a good explanation of the 'to wear on not to wear' a poppy. Ultimately it is personal choice. Matic has chosen.
The term Poppy Police is uneccessary and confrontational. Nobody should be called that term because they question why people don't wear one.
I used the term to refer to the morons who abuse the likes of McClean and Matic for their perfectly reasonable choice. I'd argue that the abuse thrown at McClean pretty much every time he steps on the pitch is more unnecessary and confrontational IMO.
Re: Matic
13My only problem with Matic, is, he has worn a poppy in previous years. Did he suddenly remember NATO’s bombing of his village or was it pointed out to him that it wasn’t wise to wear one with (yet another) international break coming up? IMO Matic, MacLean & others are very well paid by their employer to wear a specific kit. If they don’t wish to wear it, they have made themselves unavailable for selection & are in breach of contract. Ps for all the British Legion saying the poppy isn’t political, it has sadly now become exactly that.
Re: Matic
14Although I wear a poppy myself , they’d get no flak from me, it’s their decision.Hazell Stand wrote:I wonder what would happen if one of our players said that he didn’t want to wear one, or we came against a player who refused? What reaction would they get?
My decision to wear one is based on the sacrifices in the first and second world wars.
I’m more than a little dubious about our colonial past and wars of adventure and being partly of Irish extraction could hardly support the British involvement in Eire over the centuries. We should all be free to choose. That’s the sort of freedom a war is perhaps worth fighting for.
Re: Matic
15It frustrates the hell out of me that you cannot reply after three previous quotes although I must admit I can see the reason why.
Fao dt1892 - I am making a comment specifically about the Matic case. This was the content and the question at the start of the thread. You have brought the Poppy Police and McClean into it.
For Matic, it is his personal choice and because he has explained it, I understand. Fair enough to him.
Fao dt1892 - I am making a comment specifically about the Matic case. This was the content and the question at the start of the thread. You have brought the Poppy Police and McClean into it.
For Matic, it is his personal choice and because he has explained it, I understand. Fair enough to him.
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