UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

DT1892 wrote: September 17th, 2023, 3:20 pm

Chepstow'sFine wrote: September 16th, 2023, 8:34 am

Stan A. Einstein wrote: September 15th, 2023, 7:23 pm As socialist I hate with a passion the Tory Party. And for once the word hate is not hyperbole on my part. The real misery that bunch of entitled chinless wonders have inflicted on so many good decent people fills me with rage.

On many subjects whilst I am no fan of Starmer Labour are a much better proposition for the UK than are the Conservatives. However on one subject both Labour and the Tories are being utterly nonsensical and simply not telling you the truth. That subject is immigration.

You can share my view that I really don't care one iota where people come from, whether they are black, white, brown or orange with purple spots. You can take totally the opposite view and that only white people and preferably white people of stout Anglo Saxon Protestant stock should be allowed to walk on the veritable paradise on earth that is Britain. Or any view in between. And it matters not.

The reason the Tories immigration policies fail is exactly the same as the reason Labour's immigration policies will fail. You can't stop people moving from poor countries to have a better life in rich countries.

Anyone who tells you that they have an immigration policy which will work is either lying, deluded or both.

Morning Stan,

Totally agree that LabCon dont know how to stop the boats.

I think a lot of people in the country agree with you in principle that you can’t stop poorer people coming here to enrich their lives nor should you if it’s done legally. Same as I’d like the freedom to go to another country to work. The Spanish beach bar dream is alive!!

The problem is the way it’s done. Coming here illegally means they jump the queue over genuine asylum seekers and in effect have helped to break the system.

Controlling the borders of a nation state is important for lots of reasons. Without border control how are we expected to know who’s entering the country and how do we pay for schools/houses/welfare state and NHS etc etc

Also, these people aren’t coming here and having amazing lives. They invariably end up as indentured slaves in the black economy.

But to claim asylum in the UK, you have to physically be here. With incredibly limited legal routes, people have no choice but to cross the channel. Whether a processing centre in France, where people can claim asylum for the UK, would be possible I don't know. It would certainly end the need for the boats.

You're spot on. The system is totally broken and until we get a handle on it then we can't help genuine asylum seekers. Something I believe Joe Public would be more than happy to do. Look at the goodwill towards Ukrainian refugees for example. If it were up to me I'd take in every single Afghani interpreter who worked with us against the Taliban. Right now we don't even know if someone is a criminal or not.

The only thing I'd say about your asylum claim point is that you can claim asylum in any safe country, so to get to us a person has presumably travelled through maybe 3 or 4 safe countries...makes me skeptical.

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Definitely agree with a moratorium on immigration. Halt everyone coming in apart from highly skilled/frontline medical workers etc for say, 3 years. Allow the infrastructure to repair and plan for how many we can take and basics like how much it's going to cost and where they're going to live etc.

I get the sentiment of that particular petition. Maybe a little bit crudely worded for me to sign it in it's current form. For example, freedom of religion is a key tenet of mine so I'd lose the Muslim thing.

Chepstow'sFine wrote: September 17th, 2023, 9:55 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Definitely agree with a moratorium on immigration. Halt everyone coming in apart from highly skilled/frontline medical workers etc for say, 3 years. Allow the infrastructure to repair and plan for how many we can take and basics like how much it's going to cost and where they're going to live etc.

I get the sentiment of that particular petition. Maybe a little bit crudely worded for me to sign it in it's current form. For example, freedom of religion is a key tenet of mine so I'd lose the Muslim thing.

Regardless of your views gentlemen, with which I entirely disagree but which I defend your right to express you are both overlooking one salient fact.

Trying to stop people migrating to make a better life for themseĺves is like telling the sun not to rise in the morning. There is a reason every single political party promises to cut immigration. It wins votes. Thete is equally a reason why every government fails to curb immigration. It can't be done.

Whoever your vote goes towards there has to be some sort of control as the Country cant afford to carry on as it is with the migrant crisis.

The Country lurches from one crisis to another yet the numbers continue to rise putting added pressure on our already broken services

Genuine cases or even economic migrants are welcome and should go through the correct procedures / checks but its the CRIMINAL element and the scroungers that are the problem.
I would love to see the figures of 'people' . entering the country who either have no intention of working , living to our rules or intent on just scrounging off the state or are just criminals ( ie drugs , prostitution, slavery or running away from justice from the countries they flee , etc)

I work within the Health Service and see many IMMIGRANTS working there that are a credit to themselves and their families and improving our country whilst doing so . For every one of those how many come to the Country with the total opposite intentions...Albanians drug cartels to give one example.

I have a personal example of one such case.....I reported one person who I knew was an illegal immigrant... I knew what illegal activities he was getting up to......I reported him to the correct Authorities.......By the time they looked into it and tried to track him down he has moved to another part of the Country and they havent caught up with him since. That was over a decade ago and I have been told he is still here..... He came over on a Student Visa and never spent 1 second in an Educational Establishment.
How many hundreds or thousands do that every year ?
You see TV programmes and the Border Force raid places such as Restaurants and find 'illegals' working there. They take them away, process them then release them whilst still investigating them.....The 'illegals' disappear never to be seen again

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

Open borders is a luxury belief afforded by many who aren't personally affected by the results. Give it time. You WILL be.

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 18th, 2023, 8:22 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

So now you are accusing me of being a Nazi. Are you now trying to assassinate my character?

Torquay Exile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:45 am

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 18th, 2023, 8:22 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

So now you are accusing me of being a Nazi. Are you now trying to assassinate my character?

'When the debate is lost slander becomes the tool of the losers'

Torquay Exile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:45 am

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 18th, 2023, 8:22 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

So now you are accusing me of being a Nazi. Are you now trying to assassinate my character?

Ahh so it's OK to say I read the morning star

Now jog on and do some copy and pasting

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 19th, 2023, 11:48 am

Torquay Exile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:45 am

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 18th, 2023, 8:22 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

So now you are accusing me of being a Nazi. Are you now trying to assassinate my character?

Ahh so it's OK to say I read the morning star

Now jog on and do some copy and pasting

Jim, it’s easy for me to say, I know, but, most people on here will be aware that almost from the very start of his postings on here, he has a thing against you. Don’t let him get to you mate. I said the same thing to lowandhard (again easy for me to say I know) but advised him to not engage in debate with Bangit as he has said personal family things against him as well. The odd thing is, both of those characters are on opposite sides of the Trust debate. Odd in this instance is a suitable word.

pembsexile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:22 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 19th, 2023, 11:48 am

Torquay Exile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:45 am

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 18th, 2023, 8:22 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

So now you are accusing me of being a Nazi. Are you now trying to assassinate my character?

Ahh so it's OK to say I read the morning star

Now jog on and do some copy and pasting

Jim, it’s easy for me to say, I know, but, most people on here will be aware that almost from the very start of his postings on here, he has a thing against you. Don’t let him get to you mate. I said the same thing to lowandhard (again easy for me to say I know) but advised him to not engage in debate with Bangit as he has said personal family things against him as well. The odd thing is, both of those characters are on opposite sides of the Trust debate. Odd in this instance is a suitable word.

Debate on here can only become personal if someone outs themselves and let's it be known who they are. It doesn't provide protection, and in the case of Stan doesn't give him the credibility that he craves, so he has to attach himself to someone else who is known to get that reflected.
Low and Hard allowing him to do so is even more foolhardy.

And for your information I attack the statements that people make that can't be substantiated.

NCAFC use RP, therefore if someone who is a family member of DB the chairman of RP, wants to pretend that if it continues to lose £800k a year it doesn't affect NCAFC, and that it is run professionally, in running up a debt of £3.4 million, then I will challange that statement. Piss poor making it, then hiding behind "he is a relative, I don't discuss his business"

Don't make statements that you have to hide behind relatives to avoid substantiating the facts................

And for 60yof, the WRU are doing the same by hiding why RP loses so much money, in comparison to the Dragon's................................

If it was the other way around, then there would be less of an issue in the future, when we negotiate a new long term agreement............

pembsexile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:22 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 19th, 2023, 11:48 am

Torquay Exile wrote: September 19th, 2023, 4:45 am

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 18th, 2023, 8:22 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:41 pm

UPTHEPORT wrote: September 17th, 2023, 8:17 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 7:08 pm There's only one solution. Shut the Country down, stop all imagination. Let's sort our country out first (homeless, poverty, etc). And then, and only then think about allowing people to settle in the United Kingdom.

We should also be emptying our prisons of all people who are from other countries who have committed crimes here. Send them all back, that's what I say. Just think of all that money we would be saving, (That could go towards NHS, Poverty, Homeless,).

Anyone attempting to come to our small island, send them back to that safe Country they call France, because that's were they have come from. They have been living their for quite a while, the French Government have allowed them to live their, so they are responsible for their welfare. They should also be checking their passports. They know who these criminal gangs are. For them to say that they have no idea who they are, is nothing but aload of rubbish. The French are known for taking backhands, why would they want to stop the boats when they are making more money than most of their fellow officers are making in a year.

I found this quite a while ago:
Petition Stop allowing immigrants into the UK.

What is your take on the petition above, is it right or wrong. Would you sign a Petition like this or would you have changed some of the wording? Agree or disagree?

Thank you nick griffin

Are you a member of the National Front

No to both (are you), if you are asking me a question. Don't we live in a country where there is freedom of speech?

I have a right to my opinion the same as you?

You seem have forgotten about what you have written in the past.

Where have I said you don't have an opinion


Now get back to reading Mein Kampf

So now you are accusing me of being a Nazi. Are you now trying to assassinate my character?

Ahh so it's OK to say I read the morning star

Now jog on and do some copy and pasting

Jim, it’s easy for me to say, I know, but, most people on here will be aware that almost from the very start of his postings on here, he has a thing against you. Don’t let him get to you mate. I said the same thing to lowandhard (again easy for me to say I know) but advised him to not engage in debate with Bangit as he has said personal family things against him as well. The odd thing is, both of those characters are on opposite sides of the Trust debate. Odd in this instance is a suitable word.

I used to have respect for you Mr pembsexile, but that respect is slowly diminishing. You say that I have always had this thing against uptheport, what is this thing that you mentioned?

Have you not read my previous posts at all. I have mentioned that I do not know who uptheport is, I do not care who he is. Every time I post something on here he got to have a say about my opinion. So it's not me it's him who's got a problem with me not the other way around. He is the one end of. He's the one who needs get off my back, it's getting quite embarrassing for him really. First he has a go at Stan and then me. Maybe he is having a mental breakdown, who knows?

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