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Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

Torquay Exile wrote: November 6th, 2023, 8:30 pm https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... -go-ahead/

Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

You understand that armistice day commemorates 11 o'clock on the 11th day of November 1911. The time that the guns fell silent at the end of the first World War. Therefore all armistice marches etc are timed for 11 o'clock and will be long over before any other marches are planned in mid afternoon.

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 6th, 2023, 10:01 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: November 6th, 2023, 8:30 pm https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... -go-ahead/

Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

You understand that armistice day commemorates 11 o'clock on the 11th day of November 1911. The time that the guns fell silent at the end of the first World War. Therefore all armistice marches etc are timed for 11 o'clock and will be long over before any other marches are planned in mid afternoon.

I know more about the history of world one/two (and many others) than you think I do. If you looked into the story you will see that isn't the case, they do not want to march in afternoon. There shouldn't be any marches on that day at all it's being disrespectful to many people. Why can't they have their march the following week, why does it have happened on that particular weekend, that is what you should be asking yourself.

Since 1900 over one and a half million British military have been killed in armed conflict. Nearly a quarter of a million British civilians likewise have perished. And that's not to mention those who lived and live on with the most appalling disabilities. And let's not forget those who were not perceived as casualties. Women like my grandmother whose first husband was killed in the First World War and whose only son was killed in the Second World War.

Three points to consider. And just my personal view.

Remembrance Day. A chance for the Royal Family and politicians to look sombre. If they really gave a toss you think they might concern themselves with veterans living in poverty or paying compensation for the cancers and deaths to the poor young conscripts forced to have watch nuclear bombs being tested close up. Instead they lay a wreath one Sunday morning and it's sod 'em for the other 364 days of the year.

Secondly if those tragic young men and women were really slaughtered for freedom, shouldn't that include the freedom to march decrying the henious crimes bring committed by Hamas and the Israili military? They are not 'hate marches' as your utterly obnoxious Home Secretary would have it, they are not pro Palestinian as the BBC would have it. Thousands march because seeing children being killed is an affront to human dignity. A tiny number motivated by hate, as per those women with the hang-gliders, should not detract from that. Freedom should not be defined by the likes of Suella Braverman.

Finally the only people really in a position to judge are in no position to do so. They lie under countless white crosses.

Torquay Exile wrote: November 7th, 2023, 12:59 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 6th, 2023, 10:01 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: November 6th, 2023, 8:30 pm https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... -go-ahead/

Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

You understand that armistice day commemorates 11 o'clock on the 11th day of November 1911. The time that the guns fell silent at the end of the first World War. Therefore all armistice marches etc are timed for 11 o'clock and will be long over before any other marches are planned in mid afternoon.

I know more about the history of world one/two (and many others) than you think I do. If you looked into the story you will see that isn't the case, they do not want to march in afternoon. There shouldn't be any marches on that day at all it's being disrespectful to many people. Why can't they have their march the following week, why does it have happened on that particular weekend, that is what you should be asking yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... istice-day

Read the proposal from the march organisers, and educate yourself...... .

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 7th, 2023, 8:29 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 7th, 2023, 12:59 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 6th, 2023, 10:01 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: November 6th, 2023, 8:30 pm https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... -go-ahead/

Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

You understand that armistice day commemorates 11 o'clock on the 11th day of November 1911. The time that the guns fell silent at the end of the first World War. Therefore all armistice marches etc are timed for 11 o'clock and will be long over before any other marches are planned in mid afternoon.

I know more about the history of world one/two (and many others) than you think I do. If you looked into the story you will see that isn't the case, they do not want to march in afternoon. There shouldn't be any marches on that day at all it's being disrespectful to many people. Why can't they have their march the following week, why does it have happened on that particular weekend, that is what you should be asking yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... istice-day

Read the proposal from the march organisers, and educate yourself...... .

Article from the Spectator yesterday;

'The Met's strange approach to protest' by Joanna Williams.

Demonstrations against Israel, some attracting many thousands of people, have become a regular occurrence. We have grown used to the sight of masked protesters draped in Palestinian flags marching in our cities, blocking train stations, and even calling for jihad. The police, meanwhile, seem to be keeping a low profile.

Such light-touch policing is not normal. Think back to the 1980s and scenes of officers on horseback charging into striking coal miners. Or, more recently, the way women were dealt with at the vigil for murdered Sarah Everard. Why are pro-Palestine demonstrations being handled so differently?

One answer might lie with the police, and their approach to protest. Until yesterday, one person they were working with was the lawyer Attiq Malik, who was reportedly invited into the Met’s operations room. The Luton-based criminal defence solicitor served as chairman of the London Muslim Communities Forum – an advisory body to Scotland Yard.

This weekend The Telegraph revealed video footage of him addressing a rally in May 2021. Malik can be seen bemoaning the fact that anti-Israel protests receive little press coverage before explaining to the gathered crowd: ‘What’s going on is global censorship by the Zionists, global censorship to silence us.’ He then leads a chant of ‘from the river to the sea’.

Now, just as I wouldn’t consult an arsonist if I wanted advice on fire safety, I wouldn’t consult a political activist with a history of making such comments if I wanted to ensure peaceful protests and good community relations. But that’s just me. The Met, it seems, do things differently. They reportedly allowed Malik, as an adviser, to watch while crucial decisions were made about which actions constituted criminal behaviour.

With the Telegraph’s footage now public, the Met have announced they are cutting ties with Malik whose ‘language and views’ appear to be ‘anti-Semitic and contrary with our values’. But some may ask why he was ever put in this position in the first place.

Since pro-Palestine protests began in the immediate aftermath of the Hamas terrorist attacks, the police have taken a number of controversial decisions. There was the time they not only allowed protesters at a London rally to call for jihad but then justified it with the claim that the word jihad ‘has a number of meanings’. They went on to explain: ‘Specialist officers have assessed the video and have not identified any offences arising from the specific clip’. It is unknown, though not unreasonable to ask, whether Malik was one of the advisers helping officers reach this conclusion.

It can seem as if being vigilant for potential Islamophobia has become more important than the job of policing demonstrations objectively
While demonstrators are allowed to make themselves heard, police officers have been spotted removing posters raising awareness of Israeli hostages in both Manchester and London and a motorcade organised by the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism was ordered to turn off video billboards showing kidnapped children. Not for the first time, it can seem as if the police have taken a side. There’s previous, as a copper might say. We know that officers happy to don rainbow lanyards will question gender critical feminists on suspicion of hate crime.

But the case of Attiq Malik speaks to more than just political bias. Malik was not simply a protester being appeased: he was an adviser inside a Met Police operations room. Despite having been involved in a number of legal cases against the police, and reportedly calling for Prevent, the government’s anti-extremism programme, to be axed. And he’s not alone. The Telegraph has also revealed that Mohammed Kozbar, a prominent mosque chairman who is said (according to a recent House of Lords debate) to have praised the founder of Hamas, has been advising the Crown Prosecution Service as part of a ‘scrutiny panel’ on hate crime.

Far from being challenged, such characters are, it seems, being invited by publicly-funded institutions to come inside and tell senior leaders how to do their jobs. They’ll join an array of Equality, Diversity and Inclusion experts and members of staff networks, such as the National Association of Muslim Police. This speaks to a fundamental shift in purpose: rather than being seen as a distraction, or perceived as leading to biased outcomes, political campaigning – whether that’s joining in a Pride parade or kneeling for Black Lives Matter – is, in the eyes of some police officers, central to their job description.

Of course, we should expect police officers not to be racist, sexist, or homophobic. But problems emerge when they move from simply not being prejudiced, to advocating for a particular stance. For one thing, as we see with companies that prioritise woke branding over customer satisfaction only to see profits drop, advocating for a cause means taking your eye off the main thing. For the police right now, it can seem as if being vigilant for potential Islamophobia has become more important than the job of policing demonstrations objectively.

This is a risky strategy. It calls into question the fundamental principle of equality before the law. More importantly, it could pose significant dangers for the UK’s Jewish population.

Chepstow'sFine wrote: November 7th, 2023, 10:11 am

Article from the Spectator yesterday;

'The Met's strange approach to protest' by Joanna Williams.

Demonstrations against Israel.......

The entire premise of this article is based on a distortion in the first three words.

I will no doubt join a march. I am neither pro Palestinian or pro Israel. I object to murder, and the indiscriminate bombing of Gaza by the Israeli Government and military is murder.

To be clear I and I suspect the overwhelming majority of those who march are demonstrating not against Israel but against genocide.

I always thought our troops fought for us to be able to march for what we believe in

Let's not forget thousands of Palestinian civilians have died

It's not the Palestinian people's fault that nutters like hamas operates

In fact you could say that Israel is breeding more hate with every death

UPTHEPORT wrote: November 7th, 2023, 12:35 pm I always thought our troops fought for us to be able to march for what we believe in

Let's not forget thousands of Palestinian civilians have died

It's not the Palestinian people's fault that nutters like hamas operates

In fact you could say that Israel is breeding more hate with every death

I don't think that there is any could about it Jim. 15 years from now a young woman will walk into a cafe in Tel Aviv and blow herself and 15 innocent Israelis to bits. And when she does the likes of Netanyahu and his thugs must take some of the blame.

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 7th, 2023, 8:29 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 7th, 2023, 12:59 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 6th, 2023, 10:01 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: November 6th, 2023, 8:30 pm https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... -go-ahead/

Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

You understand that armistice day commemorates 11 o'clock on the 11th day of November 1911. The time that the guns fell silent at the end of the first World War. Therefore all armistice marches etc are timed for 11 o'clock and will be long over before any other marches are planned in mid afternoon.

I know more about the history of world one/two (and many others) than you think I do. If you looked into the story you will see that isn't the case, they do not want to march in afternoon. There shouldn't be any marches on that day at all it's being disrespectful to many people. Why can't they have their march the following week, why does it have happened on that particular weekend, that is what you should be asking yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... istice-day

Read the proposal from the march organisers, and educate yourself...... .

I have read the article. I still say that it should be held on different dates. Have you read the article?

Torquay Exile wrote: November 7th, 2023, 7:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 7th, 2023, 8:29 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 7th, 2023, 12:59 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 6th, 2023, 10:01 pm

Torquay Exile wrote: November 6th, 2023, 8:30 pm https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/ ... -go-ahead/

Yousaf: Pro-Palestinian marches on Armistice Day should ‘absolutely’ go ahead


Scotland’s First Minister has said plans for pro-Palestinian marches in London on Armistice Day should go ahead, saying he was “beyond angry” at the UK Government’s response.

You understand that armistice day commemorates 11 o'clock on the 11th day of November 1911. The time that the guns fell silent at the end of the first World War. Therefore all armistice marches etc are timed for 11 o'clock and will be long over before any other marches are planned in mid afternoon.

I know more about the history of world one/two (and many others) than you think I do. If you looked into the story you will see that isn't the case, they do not want to march in afternoon. There shouldn't be any marches on that day at all it's being disrespectful to many people. Why can't they have their march the following week, why does it have happened on that particular weekend, that is what you should be asking yourself.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... istice-day

Read the proposal from the march organisers, and educate yourself...... .

I have read the article. I still say that it should be held on different dates. Have you read the article?

Yes I have read it, and clearly the protest is on the Saturday as they have been, and will continue on Saturday's. You understand the significance of a Saturday to Israeli's don't you?

The protest march is a full 2 hours after the minute silence, and no where near the cenotaph on armistice day. How that can be described as a hate march by the home Secretary is beyond belief.

Your assertion above that they need to move their protest to the following Saturday, well they will continue to protest, on Saturdays in order to highlight the issues.

The fact that we are discussing it, and others reading, shows that it has an affect, even only in terms of education at the very least.

Its tone deaf at best and downright disrespectful at worst to hold a noisy and politically 'controversial' demo on remembrance day BUT the men (for it was and has been nearly all men – interestingly Israel being one of very few states who have conscription for both genders) who fought and died in the two world wars and subsequent conflicts would have supported people’s right to protest so for me I think let them protest because as I’ve said before I'm an [all but] free speech absolutist and one can’t pick and choose (although the Met police seems to).

For what it’s worth these protesters are buffoons – they don’t know which ‘river’ it is in the ‘river to the sea’ and they don’t seem to realise that their political views (far left leaning/socially progressive/pro LGBT, etc) is the antithesis of Hamas/Islam which is a regressive ideology – the classic case – ‘queers for Palestine’! Erm you do realise that its Israel that is hugely pro LGBT (Tel Aviv is a major gay friendly destination) and Palestine simply is not! I mean I get love thine enemies but its simply laughable.

The Lord Mayor's Parade is also on Saturday in Central London. Lots of floats, horses and other colourful pageantry.
It starts at 10.45 and runs through the 2 minutes silence at 11AM and, apparently, this happens on Armistice Day every 10 years.
Not a peep out of the Mail, Spectator, etc. about that, probably because this weekend's real focus is on Sunday's Remembrance Day service and march past.

The Lord Mayor's Parade is traditional but could be seen as frivolous.
But a march for peace on Armistice Day, a couple of hours after 11AM and nowhere near the Cenotaph, is a 'hate march'.

Hate is taught

Melling's equaliser wrote: November 8th, 2023, 2:50 pm The Lord Mayor's Parade is also on Saturday in Central London. Lots of floats, horses and other colourful pageantry.
It starts at 10.45 and runs through the 2 minutes silence at 11AM and, apparently, this happens on Armistice Day every 10 years.
Not a peep out of the Mail, Spectator, etc. about that, probably because this weekend's real focus is on Sunday's Remembrance Day service and march past.

The Lord Mayor's Parade is traditional but could be seen as frivolous.
But a march for peace on Armistice Day, a couple of hours after 11AM and nowhere near the Cenotaph, is a 'hate march'.

That is a very good point.