Its a perfect if complex example Chepstow - my view is one idiot in a football stadium (and lets not forget football fans are all 'thugs' anyway right?) is a far easier cop and clout over the head than [for example] a female middle class ethnic minority student at a pro Palestine march - no prizes for guessing who's arrest would generate loads of sympathy and guardian columns...for what its worth I've no desire to silence pro Palestine protest - whether I agree with them or not free speech is, or should be, a key tenet of our society.Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 2:09 pm I'm not trying to hijack the thread (honest guvna) but my point is that you can openly chant about the destruction of Israel on the streets of Britain today (you know the chant I mean), with impunity but sing about tragedy abuse in a sports arena and expect to be slapped with a lengthy banning order. The 2 things can't both be right surely?
You don't speak for Jews, mate, whatever your pretensions.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmNonsense.Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
You can't freely chant anti-semitism on the streets. And rightly so.
Calling out Netanyahu's band of thugs is not anti -semitic. Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli state as repulsive as I do. People who kill children, whether they be Hamas or the Israeli Defence Forces dehumanize the world and shame us all.
What part of my condemnation of Hamas is troubling you?North London Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 5:37 pmYou don't speak for Jews, mate, whatever your pretensions.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmNonsense.Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
You can't freely chant anti-semitism on the streets. And rightly so.
Calling out Netanyahu's band of thugs is not anti -semitic. Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli state as repulsive as I do. People who kill children, whether they be Hamas or the Israeli Defence Forces dehumanize the world and shame us all.
Like most you conveniently leave out the raping of women and the seizing of hostages to trade for "children" who are facing charges of attempted murder.
Ireland has become a cesspit of antisemitism, it seems.
Looking forward to seeing a lot of my people at Barnet tonight, even if I'm cheering for the other side.
I think you should read what you have written again, and think about your answer very, very carefully.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 6:36 pmWhat part of my condemnation of Hamas is troubling you?North London Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 5:37 pmYou don't speak for Jews, mate, whatever your pretensions.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmNonsense.Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
You can't freely chant anti-semitism on the streets. And rightly so.
Calling out Netanyahu's band of thugs is not anti -semitic. Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli state as repulsive as I do. People who kill children, whether they be Hamas or the Israeli Defence Forces dehumanize the world and shame us all.
Like most you conveniently leave out the raping of women and the seizing of hostages to trade for "children" who are facing charges of attempted murder.
Ireland has become a cesspit of antisemitism, it seems.
Looking forward to seeing a lot of my people at Barnet tonight, even if I'm cheering for the other side.
Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born. This my people, your people etc is just total bollox. Until idiots like you learn that we are all people, and if a loving God exists, that love is equally shared, we are all the poorer.
Get a life.
Torquay Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 6:44 pmI think you should read what you have written again, and think about your answer very, very carefully.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 6:36 pmWhat part of my condemnation of Hamas is troubling you?North London Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 5:37 pmYou don't speak for Jews, mate, whatever your pretensions.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmNonsense.Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
You can't freely chant anti-semitism on the streets. And rightly so.
Calling out Netanyahu's band of thugs is not anti -semitic. Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli state as repulsive as I do. People who kill children, whether they be Hamas or the Israeli Defence Forces dehumanize the world and shame us all.
Like most you conveniently leave out the raping of women and the seizing of hostages to trade for "children" who are facing charges of attempted murder.
Ireland has become a cesspit of antisemitism, it seems.
Looking forward to seeing a lot of my people at Barnet tonight, even if I'm cheering for the other side.
Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born. This my people, your people etc is just total bollox. Until idiots like you learn that we are all people, and if a loving God exists, that love is equally shared, we are all the poorer.
Get a life.
Did you choose to be Irish or were you born Irish?Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:01 pmTorquay Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 6:44 pmI think you should read what you have written again, and think about your answer very, very carefully.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 6:36 pmWhat part of my condemnation of Hamas is troubling you?North London Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 5:37 pmYou don't speak for Jews, mate, whatever your pretensions.Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmNonsense.Chepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
You can't freely chant anti-semitism on the streets. And rightly so.
Calling out Netanyahu's band of thugs is not anti -semitic. Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli state as repulsive as I do. People who kill children, whether they be Hamas or the Israeli Defence Forces dehumanize the world and shame us all.
Like most you conveniently leave out the raping of women and the seizing of hostages to trade for "children" who are facing charges of attempted murder.
Ireland has become a cesspit of antisemitism, it seems.
Looking forward to seeing a lot of my people at Barnet tonight, even if I'm cheering for the other side.
Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born. This my people, your people etc is just total bollox. Until idiots like you learn that we are all people, and if a loving God exists, that love is equally shared, we are all the poorer.
Get a life.
Many Jews find the behaviour of the Israeli Defence Forces as repulsive as I do. You have a problem with that? Okay, some Jews are bigoted little racists. In my sixty six years on this earth my experience has been that people are just people and are the same the world over.
Some Irish people are crude. So do me a favour and go and f@ck yourself.
Your falling in to the rights bollox talkingCathedralCounty wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:57 pmIts not a 'conspiracy' though is it? whether by accident or design we do have a somehow 'selective' approach to policing in the UK (partly down to picking 'low hanging fruit' simply due to lack of resources).UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmChepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
Another right wing conspiracy
Torquay Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:36 pmYou really are as thick as sh!t, aren't you?Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:01 pm
Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born.
Did you choose to be Irish or were you born Irish?
Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:45 pmTorquay Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:36 pmYou really are as thick as sh!t, aren't you?Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:01 pm
Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born.
Did you choose to be Irish or were you born Irish?
Your link does work to well. Is this what you are trying to say.UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:39 pmYour falling in to the rights bollox talkingCathedralCounty wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:57 pmIts not a 'conspiracy' though is it? whether by accident or design we do have a somehow 'selective' approach to policing in the UK (partly down to picking 'low hanging fruit' simply due to lack of resources).UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmChepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
Another right wing conspiracy
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 22792.html
As I said it's a conspiracy from the right that idiots at pro Palestinian marches are not getting arrested for saying dreadful stuff
Am I really. Says the Catholic Irish person.Torquay Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 10:28 pmStan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:45 pmTorquay Exile wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:36 pmYou really are as thick as sh!t, aren't you?Stan A. Einstein wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:01 pm
Children aren't born Christian or Jewish or Muslim. They are simply born.
Did you choose to be Irish or were you born Irish?
I'm not going down that rabbit hole and acknowledge some people were arrested at those marches but its a fair bet that many more people got away with egregious banners and chanting in a way that very few would do at football (and the Met fell over themselves to excuse the use of 'jihad' in another earlier instance) for the record I don't think anyone should be criminalized for a banner or chant but its IS a criminal offence in some instances and the law should be applied equally.UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:39 pmYour falling in to the rights bollox talkingCathedralCounty wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:57 pmIts not a 'conspiracy' though is it? whether by accident or design we do have a somehow 'selective' approach to policing in the UK (partly down to picking 'low hanging fruit' simply due to lack of resources).UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmChepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
Another right wing conspiracy
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 22792.html
As I said it's a conspiracy from the right that idiots at pro Palestinian marches are not getting arrested for saying dreadful stuff
CathedralCounty wrote: December 13th, 2023, 8:53 amI'm not going down that rabbit hole and acknowledge some people were arrested at those marches but its a fair bet that many more people got away with egregious banners and chanting in a way that very few would do at football (and the Met fell over themselves to excuse the use of 'jihad' in another earlier instance) for the record I don't think anyone should be criminalized for a banner or chant but its IS a criminal offence in some instances and the law should be applied equally.UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 7:39 pmYour falling in to the rights bollox talkingCathedralCounty wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:57 pmIts not a 'conspiracy' though is it? whether by accident or design we do have a somehow 'selective' approach to policing in the UK (partly down to picking 'low hanging fruit' simply due to lack of resources).UPTHEPORT wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:39 pmChepstow'sFine wrote: December 12th, 2023, 1:31 pm The punishment is wildly disproportionate to the crime, especially in the current climate of two tier policing where you can freely chant anti-semitism on the streets as long as you're in an organised protest.
Another right wing conspiracy
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 22792.html
As I said it's a conspiracy from the right that idiots at pro Palestinian marches are not getting arrested for saying dreadful stuff
I'm not taking sides on the conflict in the middle east or getting drawn into the arguments - but its a FACT we have very 'selective' policing in the UK, as mentioned for often prosaic reasons like 'low hanging fruit' and 'optics' of arresting [say] an elderly imam at a protest march v a stone island clad 22 year old at a football game (both for [say] minor and spurious 'hate' offences) - one would garner huge sympathy the other virtually none.
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