neilcork68 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 11:41 am I wonder if G Coughlin was in attendance last night to watch the game to see if there were any potential signings he could make ?

Wales won the game 1 - 0

neilcork68 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 11:41 am I wonder if G Coughlin was in attendance last night to watch the game to see if there were any potential signings he could make ?

Wales won the game 1 - 0

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pm

wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...

I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say “70% of people don’t speak it” , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
I’m very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. It’s very important that we do not let our language die.

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pm

wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...

I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say “70% of people don’t speak it” , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
I’m very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. It’s very important that we do not let our language die.

wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 7:09 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pm

wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...

I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say “70% of people don’t speak it” , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
I’m very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. It’s very important that we do not let our language die.

So be thankful that the minority language you love and want to protect (rightfully in my view) is heavily subsidised by those of us who have little need for it and is supported by robust legislation-many other indigenous/minority languages have died out having no such protection.

*you are right to an extent to point out that only one or 2 generations of Welsh residents have had compulsory Welsh at school but with the expected level of inward migration, the sad but inexorable hollowing out of many Welsh speaking coastal/rural communities and the ever reaching tentacles of Anglo hegemony (worldwide) I can see the 30% figure getting smaller, I don’t wish for that but it’s a worldwide trend albeit as above the Welsh language is propped up by great largesse and patronage so perhaps it is safer than most [minority languages]? time will tell.

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 7:39 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 7:09 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:54 pm

wattsville_boy wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:49 pm

CathedralCounty wrote: March 20th, 2024, 4:26 pm

Exile 1976 wrote: March 20th, 2024, 3:00 pm For some reason the use of Welsh in Wales really triggers some people. Heaven forbid we have an identity of our own instead of being swallowed into an all encompassing United Kingdom ( obviously by United Kingdom, we all know that means England)


Anyhoo though, back to the game, I thought it was a good little performance from Cymru C

Without getting side-tracked into a wider and more complex debate in this particular case the Welsh FA name change just seems un authentic and gimmicky partly as we managed for 100+ years with the ‘old’ name (albeit with a welsh motto) and partly that the constituency is a broadly majority English speaking one and we don’t need a re-brand to feel any more 'Welsh' - It’s just rather jarring and a bit like 'siop coffi' popping up in Chepstow (a 95%+ English speaking town).

Being Welsh means many things to many people and isn’t just about the language/team supported/political party voted for/location or even heritage of a person it’s a feeling sometimes generational via blood or often by adoption or bit of all those things. There are a lot of people who feel very Welsh but not don't have any Welsh blood or having been born here - some of those people have/will/may yet play for Wales.

...or de waffled - We were no less Welsh before the name change - so... C'mon Wales!

Cymraeg is an equal language to English in Wales. Calling the national side Cymru instead of Wales is merely reverting to what the side would have been called if football had been invented circa 15th century. Cymraeg is the original language of Wales, English a later interloper. I don't speak Cymraeg myself but think calling the national side Cymru strengthens the national identity. But others are allowed to disagree...

I agree mate. Always frustrates me when people say “70% of people don’t speak it” , conveniently omitting the fact that many generations of Welsh kids (myself included) were not taught Welsh.
I’m very happy that four of my children can speak Welsh. It’s very important that we do not let our language die.

So be thankful that the minority language you love and want to protect (rightfully in my view) is heavily subsidised by those of us who have little need for it and is supported by robust legislation-many other indigenous/minority languages have died out having no such protection.

*you are right to an extent to point out that only one or 2 generations of Welsh residents have had compulsory Welsh at school but with the expected level of inward migration, the sad but inexorable hollowing out of many Welsh speaking coastal/rural communities and the ever reaching tentacles of Anglo hegemony (worldwide) I can see the 30% figure getting smaller, I don’t wish for that but it’s a worldwide trend albeit as above the Welsh language is propped up by great largesse and patronage so perhaps it is safer than most [minority languages]? time will tell.

No, not thankful, as it should be a ‘gimme’ that Welsh is ‘heavily subsidised by people who have little or no interest in it’ .. There are many things my taxes go towards that I have zero interest in, but hey ho, that’s life.
The teaching of Welsh in Wales SHOULD be a given right, regardless….. that there are so many Welsh people that couldn’t give a shite about it , is, to me anyway, extremely disappointing.