Hi Brendan. The two answer solution will work for those of a certain persuasion. No amount of legalese, rational thinking or logic will convince me that the team I first supported as a nipper that represents the City of Newport in the football league, play in black and amber and are called the County are anything other than the team I first saw at Somerton Park in 1964. As I said previously, emotion trumps logic. Same club.Stan A. Einstein wrote: June 16th, 2022, 9:05 am If one takes the view that whether Newport County are one or two separate clubs then the argument can be resolved using the rule in Fosse v Harbottle. And those such as Percy and Bangitinthenet are right. The rule incidently is that the company is the proper plaintiff. Or put in simple terms a company has a separate legal identity.
However the courts have long appreciated that this is a nonsense. Therefore it is possible to 'peep behind the veil'. In terms seek out the controlling mind. Of course if you were to take this view, then the Newport County of today, is a different club, than it was 10 years ago. There being a new group of directors.
Then again if one is to follow one of these two lines then two points arise. Firstly MK Dons won the FA Cup in 1988. Why they recognized that AFC Wimbledon are the true owners of that title is any one's guess. Secondly on 20th Aprli 1982 a new club was formed. Less than three years after winning the European Cup Nottingham Forest ceased to exist. 97 years of history gone in the formation of a new club Nottingham Forest Limited. I don't recall hordes of Nottingham Forest fans crying in the streets at the loss of their beloved club. But on that date the old club which was Nottingham Forest ceased to exist as the new legal identity of a limited company was formed.
The easy solution? If you want to make Newport County one club, it's one club. If you want to make Newport County two clubs, it's two clubs.
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17Substitute 64 for 58 and this encapsulates it for me also.pembsexile wrote: June 16th, 2022, 6:33 pmHi Brendan. The two answer solution will work for those of a certain persuasion. No amount of legalese, rational thinking or logic will convince me that the team I first supported as a nipper that represents the City of Newport in the football league, play in black and amber and are called the County are anything other than the team I first saw at Somerton Park in 1964. As I said previously, emotion trumps logic. Same club.Stan A. Einstein wrote: June 16th, 2022, 9:05 am If one takes the view that whether Newport County are one or two separate clubs then the argument can be resolved using the rule in Fosse v Harbottle. And those such as Percy and Bangitinthenet are right. The rule incidently is that the company is the proper plaintiff. Or put in simple terms a company has a separate legal identity.
However the courts have long appreciated that this is a nonsense. Therefore it is possible to 'peep behind the veil'. In terms seek out the controlling mind. Of course if you were to take this view, then the Newport County of today, is a different club, than it was 10 years ago. There being a new group of directors.
Then again if one is to follow one of these two lines then two points arise. Firstly MK Dons won the FA Cup in 1988. Why they recognized that AFC Wimbledon are the true owners of that title is any one's guess. Secondly on 20th Aprli 1982 a new club was formed. Less than three years after winning the European Cup Nottingham Forest ceased to exist. 97 years of history gone in the formation of a new club Nottingham Forest Limited. I don't recall hordes of Nottingham Forest fans crying in the streets at the loss of their beloved club. But on that date the old club which was Nottingham Forest ceased to exist as the new legal identity of a limited company was formed.
The easy solution? If you want to make Newport County one club, it's one club. If you want to make Newport County two clubs, it's two clubs.
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18Same for me, but substitute 58 & 64 with 83OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: June 16th, 2022, 6:56 pmSubstitute 64 for 58 and this encapsulates it for me also.pembsexile wrote: June 16th, 2022, 6:33 pmHi Brendan. The two answer solution will work for those of a certain persuasion. No amount of legalese, rational thinking or logic will convince me that the team I first supported as a nipper that represents the City of Newport in the football league, play in black and amber and are called the County are anything other than the team I first saw at Somerton Park in 1964. As I said previously, emotion trumps logic. Same club.Stan A. Einstein wrote: June 16th, 2022, 9:05 am If one takes the view that whether Newport County are one or two separate clubs then the argument can be resolved using the rule in Fosse v Harbottle. And those such as Percy and Bangitinthenet are right. The rule incidently is that the company is the proper plaintiff. Or put in simple terms a company has a separate legal identity.
However the courts have long appreciated that this is a nonsense. Therefore it is possible to 'peep behind the veil'. In terms seek out the controlling mind. Of course if you were to take this view, then the Newport County of today, is a different club, than it was 10 years ago. There being a new group of directors.
Then again if one is to follow one of these two lines then two points arise. Firstly MK Dons won the FA Cup in 1988. Why they recognized that AFC Wimbledon are the true owners of that title is any one's guess. Secondly on 20th Aprli 1982 a new club was formed. Less than three years after winning the European Cup Nottingham Forest ceased to exist. 97 years of history gone in the formation of a new club Nottingham Forest Limited. I don't recall hordes of Nottingham Forest fans crying in the streets at the loss of their beloved club. But on that date the old club which was Nottingham Forest ceased to exist as the new legal identity of a limited company was formed.
The easy solution? If you want to make Newport County one club, it's one club. If you want to make Newport County two clubs, it's two clubs.
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19Kids.Exile 1976 wrote: June 16th, 2022, 7:01 pmSame for me, but substitute 58 & 64 with 83OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: June 16th, 2022, 6:56 pmSubstitute 64 for 58 and this encapsulates it for me also.pembsexile wrote: June 16th, 2022, 6:33 pmHi Brendan. The two answer solution will work for those of a certain persuasion. No amount of legalese, rational thinking or logic will convince me that the team I first supported as a nipper that represents the City of Newport in the football league, play in black and amber and are called the County are anything other than the team I first saw at Somerton Park in 1964. As I said previously, emotion trumps logic. Same club.Stan A. Einstein wrote: June 16th, 2022, 9:05 am If one takes the view that whether Newport County are one or two separate clubs then the argument can be resolved using the rule in Fosse v Harbottle. And those such as Percy and Bangitinthenet are right. The rule incidently is that the company is the proper plaintiff. Or put in simple terms a company has a separate legal identity.
However the courts have long appreciated that this is a nonsense. Therefore it is possible to 'peep behind the veil'. In terms seek out the controlling mind. Of course if you were to take this view, then the Newport County of today, is a different club, than it was 10 years ago. There being a new group of directors.
Then again if one is to follow one of these two lines then two points arise. Firstly MK Dons won the FA Cup in 1988. Why they recognized that AFC Wimbledon are the true owners of that title is any one's guess. Secondly on 20th Aprli 1982 a new club was formed. Less than three years after winning the European Cup Nottingham Forest ceased to exist. 97 years of history gone in the formation of a new club Nottingham Forest Limited. I don't recall hordes of Nottingham Forest fans crying in the streets at the loss of their beloved club. But on that date the old club which was Nottingham Forest ceased to exist as the new legal identity of a limited company was formed.
The easy solution? If you want to make Newport County one club, it's one club. If you want to make Newport County two clubs, it's two clubs.
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20Joking aside. For me it's always been one club but I have problem if other people don't see it that way.
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21Legally they are separate clubs but even in AFC days I was going over the County
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22Obviously your support has never been legally separated.UPTHEPORT wrote: June 16th, 2022, 7:39 pm Legally they are separate clubs but even in AFC days I was going over the County
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24When David Hando writes: 'It is important to distinguish between Newport County (The Ironsides) a club of the past, and Newport County AFC (The Exiles) the club of the present and future' what he is saying, if you take all the evidence into account is, as LowandHard expresses it, irrefutable. It seems to me that no amount of emotionally driven denial can make what Hando says false. But in the same piece David Hando says something that encompasses the contrary positions of both Stan and Percy on this matter, when he adds (what was true at the time he was writing) that the current club 'is 28 years old, but has a 105 year history.' What a wonderful way to put it.
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25What ever floats your boat.George Street-Bridge wrote: June 17th, 2022, 6:18 am It sounds a bit Hong Kong, but how about "Two clubs, one team"?
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26That is what David Hando believes. It is what you believe. I have no problem with that. It is not what I believe. If you have a problem that, that's your problem not mine.DorsetExile wrote: June 17th, 2022, 6:51 am When David Hando writes: 'It is important to distinguish between Newport County (The Ironsides) a club of the past, and Newport County AFC (The Exiles) the club of the present and future' what he is saying, if you take all the evidence into account is, as LowandHard expresses it, irrefutable. It seems to me that no amount of emotionally driven denial can make what Hando says false. But in the same piece David Hando says something that encompasses the contrary positions of both Stan and Percy on this matter, when he adds (what was true at the time he was writing) that the current club 'is 28 years old, but has a 105 year history.' What a wonderful way to put it.
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27I don’t have a problem, merely stated what I thought was obvious. I belong to the Newport Taliban, if they don’t wear black shorts with the amber shirts it’s definitely not the County, yellow shorts must be the AFC bit I suppose
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28Exactly. Likewise.Stan A. Einstein wrote: June 17th, 2022, 10:42 amThat is what David Hando believes. It is what you believe. I have no problem with that. It is not what I believe. If you have a problem that, that's your problem not mine.DorsetExile wrote: June 17th, 2022, 6:51 am When David Hando writes: 'It is important to distinguish between Newport County (The Ironsides) a club of the past, and Newport County AFC (The Exiles) the club of the present and future' what he is saying, if you take all the evidence into account is, as LowandHard expresses it, irrefutable. It seems to me that no amount of emotionally driven denial can make what Hando says false. But in the same piece David Hando says something that encompasses the contrary positions of both Stan and Percy on this matter, when he adds (what was true at the time he was writing) that the current club 'is 28 years old, but has a 105 year history.' What a wonderful way to put it.
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29I see that The Drifters are currently on a World Tour.It says that they were formed in 1953,that means that the four guys on stage are all about 95 years old but,the photo shows them to be half that age.One singer says to the audience “ This is a song that you put in the charts for us in 1965 “,how can that be correct as none of the guys on the stage were even born in 1965.The answer,the daughter of the original manager now owns the trade name of The Drifters,she knows that calling these singers The Drifters means that they get prestigious venues where she can charge top ticket prices.They are in fact a tribute act but,if she called them The Plunketts,a sensational tribute to The Drifters,the venues and ticket prices would be much lower,even though it would be the exact same singers on the stage.Now,if someone in the audience wants to believe that they have just seen The Drifters then so be it but,they haven’t.If fans of ours want to think that this football club is the old County then,as long as they keep supporting us then so be it but,we are not the old County.
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