He's not American, he's from Newport and a county supporter.County ranger wrote: January 29th, 2023, 5:51 pmWould agree with your thoughts we were lucky Les was honourable and did what he could to secure a future unlike Bury, Oldham etc. etc. This is why I have little time for this American circling us I don’t think they realise the financial commitment required and lack of thanks you get which ultimately encourages them to walk away. This said we are where we are owing to a benefactor so I think hypocritical comments lack any reality or class.halfmoon wrote: January 29th, 2023, 5:45 pmI think fan ownership, while severely limiting what you can achieve financially, is worth far more than putting your club in the hands of a private owner who may well leave you up shit creek, as we know well. There’s a reason phoenix clubs mostly stick to being fan owned - they’ve learned the hard way. So despite the riches, I think Wrexham fans are mad to have given away the club they owned.Justanordinaryfan wrote: January 29th, 2023, 5:30 pmLet’s be honest we would be overjoyed if we had similar investment ?Blackandamber wrote: January 29th, 2023, 4:49 pmWe hardly sold our soul for the Les dollar. He took over from Chris Blight because he had more money. Nearly all of the players who gained promotion were free transfers or on loan. Scalding paid off the monthly overdraft.County ranger wrote: January 29th, 2023, 4:19 pmAnd we sold our soul for the Les dollar so stop being so hypocritical- your bitterness is quite sad - we all wish we had the Wrexham owners 10 year plan rather than Les who had a budget and walked away when he had spent it - don’t forget Wrexham would be EFL already if they had not faced the Les dollar.Amberexile wrote: January 29th, 2023, 3:02 pm Sold their soul for a Yankee dollar, Hope we hold out as long as possible before doing similar, preferably for ever, although the way the game is going it may become inevitable. But they are playing that lot from the wrong side of town. Probably best to avoid it. There seems to be so much football these days where the best result would be both teams losing.
The situation with the Hollywood stars is vastly different.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/31255661
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47You are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
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48Stan, barriers can easily be created to prevent an action that you don’t fully support, in the Boards case Shaun Johnson mentioned that they were placing a minimum £5m value on the County! That is a big enough deterrent don’t you think?Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:27 pmYou are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
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49Yes.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:08 pmStan, barriers can easily be created to prevent an action that you don’t fully support, in the Boards case Shaun Johnson mentioned that they were placing a minimum £5m value on the County! That is a big enough deterrent don’t you think?Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:27 pmYou are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
I wasn't aware of that.
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50Well at the time we had millions in the bank and guaranteed millions from the FA. So would you want someone to invest 500 thousand, only to take out say 4 million?Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:08 pmStan, barriers can easily be created to prevent an action that you don’t fully support, in the Boards case Shaun Johnson mentioned that they were placing a minimum £5m value on the County! That is a big enough deterrent don’t you think?Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:27 pmYou are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
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51Bangitintrnet wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:25 pmWell at the time we had millions in the bank and guaranteed millions from the FA. So would you want someone to invest 500 thousand, only to take out say 4 million?Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:08 pmStan, barriers can easily be created to prevent an action that you don’t fully support, in the Boards case Shaun Johnson mentioned that they were placing a minimum £5m value on the County! That is a big enough deterrent don’t you think?Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:27 pmYou are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
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I don’t recall us having literally “millions” in the bank, what have we got that is tangible to show for that?
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52Bangitintrnet wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:25 pm
Well at the time we had millions in the bank and guaranteed millions from the FA. So would you want someone to invest 500 thousand, only to take out say 4 million?
We had millions in the bank?
What happened to it?
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53Millions in the Bank? Not quite sure where you get this from. I wish it were true though.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:25 pmWell at the time we had millions in the bank and guaranteed millions from the FA. So would you want someone to invest 500 thousand, only to take out say 4 million?Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:08 pmStan, barriers can easily be created to prevent an action that you don’t fully support, in the Boards case Shaun Johnson mentioned that they were placing a minimum £5m value on the County! That is a big enough deterrent don’t you think?Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:27 pmYou are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
On the Supporters Trust website are the Auditors accounts Financial statements for the Newport County Supporters Society Ltd.
Profit
2021. £108,571
2020. £101,106
2019. £89,283
2018. £48,858
2017. £17,006
These are the latest figures the Supporters Trust show. Unless the Football club have a separate auditing system with their own financial operating procedures that is what we had recently. Well, the last six years anyway.
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54I suspect some are mistaking turnover and Cup incomes for profits. Two very different things of course.pembsexile wrote: January 31st, 2023, 7:21 amMillions in the Bank? Not quite sure where you get this from. I wish it were true though.Bangitintrnet wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:25 pmWell at the time we had millions in the bank and guaranteed millions from the FA. So would you want someone to invest 500 thousand, only to take out say 4 million?Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 9:08 pmStan, barriers can easily be created to prevent an action that you don’t fully support, in the Boards case Shaun Johnson mentioned that they were placing a minimum £5m value on the County! That is a big enough deterrent don’t you think?Stan A. Einstein wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:27 pmYou are right and if I and those that agree with me can't persuade a majority that fans ownership is the best way forward then of course I accept that.Taunton Iron Cider wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:06 pm
I thought that there had been a vote with a majority in favour of a hybrid model, however the result was seemingly ignored.
Where I think that the club should though be more communicative is on what basis was the hybrid model rejected. Was it because they ignored what supporters wanted, or was it because they weren't able to attract someone interested in buying a stake in the club.
On the Supporters Trust website are the Auditors accounts Financial statements for the Newport County Supporters Society Ltd.
Profit
2021. £108,571
2020. £101,106
2019. £89,283
2018. £48,858
2017. £17,006
These are the latest figures the Supporters Trust show. Unless the Football club have a separate auditing system with their own financial operating procedures that is what we had recently. Well, the last six years anyway.
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55So why hasn't he gone public then? You know, proper public via the press, not on an obscure Facebook group?Trigger wrote: January 30th, 2023, 8:16 pm
He's not American, he's from Newport and a county supporter.
Let's have a formal expression of interest so that Trust members can see who he is, what he's propsing, how he would fund it, who's money would he be using etc etc.
This supposed interest has been rumoured for months, if he really is interested then get the message out properly. In my opinion he's lost credibility by not doing so, he's currently no more than a tyre kicker.....
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56He did ho public in order for our board to acknowledge his request to become involved with the club ! Apparently he s been trying for a while without no response from the board .now contact has been made he would have signed a non disclosure agreement!. If you rewind 4 years ago at an open meeting directors SJ KW and Co opted MC stated that the club were running at a loss of 350;000 a year and we can't depend cup runs alone to survive. We'll have been fortunate and lucky till this season with some great big cup days play offs finals, this fan owned won't work without major investment or a take over !we own nothing the infrastructure has been poor crowds have dropped due to poor results paid off managers / imo the time is right for a change .
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572018 = £61,274
2019 = £913,975
2020 = £1,334,691
2021 = £836,551
Above are the cash balances held by the Club over the last 4 years, in one of those years we did hold over £1m however note that in 2021 £500k has gone! Should we be worried?
Also Pembs posted the profits over the same period and rather worryingly there is a steady but continuous downward trend. Yet this set of figures are meant to substantiate a ludicrous valuation of £5m against a Company that in 2021 has a net worth of £837,859, and in truth based on profit trends is probably struggling to get a value of £250k.
The only benefit for us supporters of having no communication from our Board is that failure will come as a complete surprise! We obviously need outside investment, but as important are the business skills that would come with it.
2019 = £913,975
2020 = £1,334,691
2021 = £836,551
Above are the cash balances held by the Club over the last 4 years, in one of those years we did hold over £1m however note that in 2021 £500k has gone! Should we be worried?
Also Pembs posted the profits over the same period and rather worryingly there is a steady but continuous downward trend. Yet this set of figures are meant to substantiate a ludicrous valuation of £5m against a Company that in 2021 has a net worth of £837,859, and in truth based on profit trends is probably struggling to get a value of £250k.
The only benefit for us supporters of having no communication from our Board is that failure will come as a complete surprise! We obviously need outside investment, but as important are the business skills that would come with it.
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58He didn't go public - otherwise we'd know all about him and his interest, I thought it was all via the County Facebook group initially - that's not going public, that's chatting on social media.owlsabout wrote: January 31st, 2023, 9:01 am He did ho public in order for our board to acknowledge his request to become involved with the club ! Apparently he s been trying for a while without no response from the board .now contact has been made he would have signed a non disclosure agreement!. If you rewind 4 years ago at an open meeting directors SJ KW and Co opted MC stated that the club were running at a loss of 350;000 a year and we can't depend cup runs alone to survive. We'll have been fortunate and lucky till this season with some great big cup days play offs finals, this fan owned won't work without major investment or a take over !we own nothing the infrastructure has been poor crowds have dropped due to poor results paid off managers / imo the time is right for a change .
Non disclosure agreements aren't used in the context of expressing an interest, it defeats the object. Its only when you enter into negotiations that disclose/open book/due diligence becomes relevant.
Who are his advisors, or is he just personally looking as an ex-pat supporter?
What background/expertise does he have in professional football, or is he another Les?
If this was going to fly, it would have already taken off. If the Board hadn't been receptive then you look to engage with the owners - having trust ownership is ideal for getting past a reluctant Board because you can engage directly with the real owners, but you have to get your message out. I don't use Facebook so that's probably why I don't know who he is or what his intentions are.
I'm guessing that I'm not alone on that.
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59Taunton Iron Cider wrote :
2018 = £61,274
2019 = £913,975
2020 = £1,334,691
2021 = £836,551
Above are the cash balances held by the Club over the last 4 years, in one of those years we did hold over £1m however note that in 2021 £500k has gone! Should we be worried?
Also Pembs posted the profits over the same period and rather worryingly there is a steady but continuous downward trend. Yet this set of figures are meant to substantiate a ludicrous valuation of £5m against a Company that in 2021 has a net worth of £837,859, and in truth based on profit trends is probably struggling to get a value of £250k.
The only benefit for us supporters of having no communication from our Board is that failure will come as a complete surprise! We obviously need outside investment, but as important are the business skills that would come with it.
2021 would have been covid related costs, and as such not something that could be used as a trend.
In a hybrid model wouldn't investment be on the basis of owning a percentage of the business but also bringing something to the table in a Dragon's Den style?
2018 = £61,274
2019 = £913,975
2020 = £1,334,691
2021 = £836,551
Above are the cash balances held by the Club over the last 4 years, in one of those years we did hold over £1m however note that in 2021 £500k has gone! Should we be worried?
Also Pembs posted the profits over the same period and rather worryingly there is a steady but continuous downward trend. Yet this set of figures are meant to substantiate a ludicrous valuation of £5m against a Company that in 2021 has a net worth of £837,859, and in truth based on profit trends is probably struggling to get a value of £250k.
The only benefit for us supporters of having no communication from our Board is that failure will come as a complete surprise! We obviously need outside investment, but as important are the business skills that would come with it.
2021 would have been covid related costs, and as such not something that could be used as a trend.
In a hybrid model wouldn't investment be on the basis of owning a percentage of the business but also bringing something to the table in a Dragon's Den style?
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60You aren’t mate, I don’t do Facebook either. However, you can do a google search on him to find out who he is. I posted some info’ on that a few weeks ago on another thread.whoareya wrote: January 31st, 2023, 9:30 amHe didn't go public - otherwise we'd know all about him and his interest, I thought it was all via the County Facebook group initially - that's not going public, that's chatting on social media.owlsabout wrote: January 31st, 2023, 9:01 am He did ho public in order for our board to acknowledge his request to become involved with the club ! Apparently he s been trying for a while without no response from the board .now contact has been made he would have signed a non disclosure agreement!. If you rewind 4 years ago at an open meeting directors SJ KW and Co opted MC stated that the club were running at a loss of 350;000 a year and we can't depend cup runs alone to survive. We'll have been fortunate and lucky till this season with some great big cup days play offs finals, this fan owned won't work without major investment or a take over !we own nothing the infrastructure has been poor crowds have dropped due to poor results paid off managers / imo the time is right for a change .
Non disclosure agreements aren't used in the context of expressing an interest, it defeats the object. Its only when you enter into negotiations that disclose/open book/due diligence becomes relevant.
Who are his advisors, or is he just personally looking as an ex-pat supporter?
What background/expertise does he have in professional football, or is he another Les?
If this was going to fly, it would have already taken off. If the Board hadn't been receptive then you look to engage with the owners - having trust ownership is ideal for getting past a reluctant Board because you can engage directly with the real owners, but you have to get your message out. I don't use Facebook so that's probably why I don't know who he is or what his intentions are.
I'm guessing that I'm not alone on that.
I also agree with your comments about the Expressions of Interest (EOI). They are in the public domain and should be seen by all. Putting a few comments on social media just raises his game and profile and doesn’t count as negotiations.