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Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 5th, 2021, 9:47 am
by mad norm
Interesting to hear what others think about this.
The press will no doubt revel in it all
Sponsors are going down like flies
Was it "banter"
I'd like to know far more from other parties to make my mind up,although clearly there is an issue
Thoughts?
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 5th, 2021, 11:11 am
by Stan A. Einstein
Here's the thing Norm.
Banter. Needs to be between equals. It's a way of being inclusive. For powerful people, board members, England players to take the piss out of a young lad Pakistani origin is simply not banter. To use the language that Gary Ballance has admitted to, is in any event, incapable of being banter. Although he at least has had the guts to apologize.
And it goes deeper. As adults we can rationalize. I know for instance there is one anonymous individual on this board who persistently refers to me as a 'foreign troll'. It is unpleasant racist abuse but being an adult I can appreciate that the individual involved is not of high intellect and no doubt has his own insecurities to deal with. However that does not mean that his behaviour doesn't cause pain to children on this board who don't share his white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant heritage. And indeed it reflects badly on the club.
At Yorkshire the abuse was far worse and of a much higher profile. If you were a young talented cricketer of Asian heritage growing up in west Yorkshire this would not encourage you to develop- those talents at Headingly now would it?
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 8th, 2021, 9:25 am
by Dogger
I’ve not been following the story too closely, but believe the term ‘Paki’ was used at an Asian cricketer. Now, I’m asking a general question here. When I was growing up in Pill, that term was used to differentiate between the West Indian population & Asians. It was never used maliciously as far as I can remember. Nowadays, the term is deemed offensive & yet we use the words ‘Brits’ (especially here in Spain) & Aussies all the time. Nobody thinks these words are offensive.
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 8th, 2021, 10:14 am
by Exile 1976
That was used in Newport when I was growing up, solely as derogatory term. There even being songs sung in the schoolyard in the 80's like "I see the red light flashing, I'm going p*** bashing" ... it's always been used as a malicious slur since I can remember. Truly awful.
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 8th, 2021, 10:42 am
by UPTHEPORT
I work in the health service so work with all races us white people get an easy ride some of the stuff people of colour have to put up with is terrible I've heard people say to staff why don't you wash your hands look how black they are just one I can print
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 9th, 2021, 11:02 am
by Marky
Dogger wrote: November 8th, 2021, 9:25 am
I’ve not been following the story too closely, but believe the term ‘Paki’ was used at an Asian cricketer. Now, I’m asking a general question here. When I was growing up in Pill, that term was used to differentiate between the West Indian population & Asians. It was never used maliciously as far as I can remember. Nowadays, the term is deemed offensive & yet we use the words ‘Brits’ (especially here in Spain) & Aussies all the time. Nobody thinks these words are offensive.
It was always deemed offensive, but the "Asians" were too scared of getting beaten up to complain.
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 9th, 2021, 1:43 pm
by Bangitintrnet
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 5th, 2021, 11:11 am
Here's the thing Norm.
Banter. Needs to be between equals. It's a way of being inclusive. For powerful people, board members, England players to take the piss out of a young lad Pakistani origin is simply not banter. To use the language that Gary Ballance has admitted to, is in any event, incapable of being banter. Although he at least has had the guts to apologize.
And it goes deeper. As adults we can rationalize. I know for instance there is one anonymous individual on this board who persistently refers to me as a 'foreign troll'. It is unpleasant racist abuse but being an adult I can appreciate that the individual involved is not of high intellect and no doubt has his own insecurities to deal with. However that does not mean that his behaviour doesn't cause pain to children on this board who don't share his white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant heritage. And indeed it reflects badly on the club.
At Yorkshire the abuse was far worse and of a much higher profile. If you were a young talented cricketer of Asian heritage growing up in west Yorkshire this would not encourage you to develop- those talents at Headingly now would it?
Interesting comments, I am anonymous on an anonymous forum, is there an issue with that then , as I am not attacking you, I am calling YOU out for what you are, a foreign troll. The reason for this is to get you to stop arguing with all and sundry and actually debate.
I attach the word foreign to troll, as a description, in order that others know who I am talking about.
I could have easily chosen Ugly Troll, as that is also true, but as less people have met you, less would understand who I was discussing.
Having described me as anonymous, you then go on to describe me as White, Anglo Saxon, Protestant. First time a White, Celtic, Agnostic has been described as that, but ho hum, if it floats your boat, so to speak.
I agree that you reflect badly on the club, but am glad it is getting to you. It's not banter or attacking you, it's calling YOU out.
You see there is a big difference in that it is up to you. Only YOU can make it all suddenly go away.
Only YOU, but can you? Is it actually possible, after all this time I somehow doubt it.
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 9th, 2021, 4:01 pm
by Dogger
Just tried to google an answer to my question, (why is the term ‘Paki’ deemed offensive, yet Brit & Aussie aren’t?) The answer seems to be ‘because it is’. Well that’s cleared that up then!
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 6:49 pm
by UPTHEPORT
Looking like the bloke is a bit of a hypocrite
What you write on line will come back on you
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 8:28 pm
by mad norm
It's all getting a bit silly in layman's terms
Strange how we berate China, N Korea etc
Re: Yorkshire CCC
Posted: November 18th, 2021, 9:12 pm
by Blackandamber
UPTHEPORT wrote: November 18th, 2021, 6:49 pm
Looking like the bloke is a bit of a hypocrite
What you write on line will come back on you
I believe that most of us are hypocrites from time to time. Do what I say, not do what I do. Thank Christ for Amazing Grace!
