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Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 22nd, 2021, 11:47 pm
by Percy plunkett
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 9:28 pm Percy you made up that I had been banned from this board. I was forced to explain to you that I wasn't posting for personal reasons.

I don't recall calling you by the 'c' word. I am quite sure had I done so it would have resulted in a ban. And rightly so. Although it would be filtered out in any event.

I do recall asking you how many people's lives
would you think it reasonable to sacrifice in order that you could enjoy a football match. I recall that you refused to answer. I recall that you were citing some obscure bunch of pseudosciencists who said wearing masks was a bad idea. You also argued that the concentration on Covid meant that cancer treatments were not taking place. The opposite is true. The NHS was nearly overwhelmed and as a consequence not as much attention could be given to other dangerous diseases.
Percy, you are a very sad individual.
Do you know what is more dangerous than not wearing masks.It’s people who think that because they’ve had all their jabs,plus their shot of mercury,they are now bulletproof,they take more chances like travelling from a foreign country to stay in Cwmbran during a pandemic.How daft and selfish is that,now I see Ireland has a rise in cases and are now having to put restrictions in place.How many people are you prepared to see die so that you can visit Cwmbran,answer that oh foolish one.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 8:17 am
by Stan A. Einstein
Percy plunkett wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 11:47 pm
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 9:28 pm Percy you made up that I had been banned from this board. I was forced to explain to you that I wasn't posting for personal reasons.

I don't recall calling you by the 'c' word. I am quite sure had I done so it would have resulted in a ban. And rightly so. Although it would be filtered out in any event.

I do recall asking you how many people's lives
would you think it reasonable to sacrifice in order that you could enjoy a football match. I recall that you refused to answer. I recall that you were citing some obscure bunch of pseudosciencists who said wearing masks was a bad idea. You also argued that the concentration on Covid meant that cancer treatments were not taking place. The opposite is true. The NHS was nearly overwhelmed and as a consequence not as much attention could be given to other dangerous diseases.
Percy, you are a very sad individual.
Do you know what is more dangerous than not wearing masks.It’s people who think that because they’ve had all their jabs,plus their shot of mercury,they are now bulletproof,they take more chances like travelling from a foreign country to stay in Cwmbran during a pandemic.How daft and selfish is that,now I see Ireland has a rise in cases and are now having to put restrictions in place.How many people are you prepared to see die so that you can visit Cwmbran,answer that oh foolish one.
Two points Percy.

Firstly the foreign country as you put it has a far lower incidence of Covid than the UK.

Secondly because of Covid my sister asked me not to come over in January when she was very sick. Four weeks before she died she said I think you had better come.

I don't need to call you by the 'c' word. I think anyone reading your post doesn't need me to point out just what an unpleasant human being you are.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 8:44 am
by pembsexile
Percy plunkett wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 11:47 pm
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 9:28 pm Percy you made up that I had been banned from this board. I was forced to explain to you that I wasn't posting for personal reasons.

I don't recall calling you by the 'c' word. I am quite sure had I done so it would have resulted in a ban. And rightly so. Although it would be filtered out in any event.

I do recall asking you how many people's lives
would you think it reasonable to sacrifice in order that you could enjoy a football match. I recall that you refused to answer. I recall that you were citing some obscure bunch of pseudosciencists who said wearing masks was a bad idea. You also argued that the concentration on Covid meant that cancer treatments were not taking place. The opposite is true. The NHS was nearly overwhelmed and as a consequence not as much attention could be given to other dangerous diseases.
Percy, you are a very sad individual.
Do you know what is more dangerous than not wearing masks.It’s people who think that because they’ve had all their jabs,plus their shot of mercury,they are now bulletproof,they take more chances like travelling from a foreign country to stay in Cwmbran during a pandemic.How daft and selfish is that,now I see Ireland has a rise in cases and are now having to put restrictions in place.How many people are you prepared to see die so that you can visit Cwmbran,answer that oh foolish one.
Percy, I am not getting involved in your spat with Stan. You are both big enough and ……..etc.

However, I must call you out on your statement about a shot of mercury. What shot of mercury? In front of me right now I have a list of the complete ingredients for the Oxford vaccine. I can write it out if you want it. There is no mercury in there at al, none. Can I ask that you withdraw that comment please as it adds to the disinformation agenda. Thanks.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 4:25 pm
by Percy plunkett
pembsexile wrote: November 23rd, 2021, 8:44 am
Percy plunkett wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 11:47 pm
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 9:28 pm Percy you made up that I had been banned from this board. I was forced to explain to you that I wasn't posting for personal reasons.

I don't recall calling you by the 'c' word. I am quite sure had I done so it would have resulted in a ban. And rightly so. Although it would be filtered out in any event.

I do recall asking you how many people's lives
would you think it reasonable to sacrifice in order that you could enjoy a football match. I recall that you refused to answer. I recall that you were citing some obscure bunch of pseudosciencists who said wearing masks was a bad idea. You also argued that the concentration on Covid meant that cancer treatments were not taking place. The opposite is true. The NHS was nearly overwhelmed and as a consequence not as much attention could be given to other dangerous diseases.
Percy, you are a very sad individual.
Do you know what is more dangerous than not wearing masks.It’s people who think that because they’ve had all their jabs,plus their shot of mercury,they are now bulletproof,they take more chances like travelling from a foreign country to stay in Cwmbran during a pandemic.How daft and selfish is that,now I see Ireland has a rise in cases and are now having to put restrictions in place.How many people are you prepared to see die so that you can visit Cwmbran,answer that oh foolish one.
Percy, I am not getting involved in your spat with Stan. You are both big enough and ……..etc.

However, I must call you out on your statement about a shot of mercury. What shot of mercury? In front of me right now I have a list of the complete ingredients for the Oxford vaccine. I can write it out if you want it. There is no mercury in there at al, none. Can I ask that you withdraw that comment please as it adds to the disinformation agenda. Thanks.
Pembs,I am referring to the winter flu jab which has mercury in it.As for the Oxford,I have no idea what is in it.I do know that around 90000 NHS staff have refused to have any of the jabs available as they feel that it hasn’t been tested enough and could be unsafe.Now,these same NHS heroes,who were clapped every Thursday by Boris and all of us are now threatened with dismissal unless they take the jabs.Many will stand their ground resulting in even more shortages of staff.Queen Mary University of London have said that over 1.5m operations were cancelled up to last June which would result in deaths.The NHS have paused collecting the data since that date and QM estimates that the figure will be 2.4m by the end of the year.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 6:53 pm
by pembsexile
Percy plunkett wrote: November 23rd, 2021, 4:25 pm
pembsexile wrote: November 23rd, 2021, 8:44 am
Percy plunkett wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 11:47 pm
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 9:28 pm Percy you made up that I had been banned from this board. I was forced to explain to you that I wasn't posting for personal reasons.

I don't recall calling you by the 'c' word. I am quite sure had I done so it would have resulted in a ban. And rightly so. Although it would be filtered out in any event.

I do recall asking you how many people's lives
would you think it reasonable to sacrifice in order that you could enjoy a football match. I recall that you refused to answer. I recall that you were citing some obscure bunch of pseudosciencists who said wearing masks was a bad idea. You also argued that the concentration on Covid meant that cancer treatments were not taking place. The opposite is true. The NHS was nearly overwhelmed and as a consequence not as much attention could be given to other dangerous diseases.
Percy, you are a very sad individual.
Do you know what is more dangerous than not wearing masks.It’s people who think that because they’ve had all their jabs,plus their shot of mercury,they are now bulletproof,they take more chances like travelling from a foreign country to stay in Cwmbran during a pandemic.How daft and selfish is that,now I see Ireland has a rise in cases and are now having to put restrictions in place.How many people are you prepared to see die so that you can visit Cwmbran,answer that oh foolish one.
Percy, I am not getting involved in your spat with Stan. You are both big enough and ……..etc.

However, I must call you out on your statement about a shot of mercury. What shot of mercury? In front of me right now I have a list of the complete ingredients for the Oxford vaccine. I can write it out if you want it. There is no mercury in there at al, none. Can I ask that you withdraw that comment please as it adds to the disinformation agenda. Thanks.
Pembs,I am referring to the winter flu jab which has mercury in it.As for the Oxford,I have no idea what is in it.I do know that around 90000 NHS staff have refused to have any of the jabs available as they feel that it hasn’t been tested enough and could be unsafe.Now,these same NHS heroes,who were clapped every Thursday by Boris and all of us are now threatened with dismissal unless they take the jabs.Many will stand their ground resulting in even more shortages of staff.Queen Mary University of London have said that over 1.5m operations were cancelled up to last June which would result in deaths.The NHS have paused collecting the data since that date and QM estimates that the figure will be 2.4m by the end of the year.
I am not going to comment about your NHS stats as I am still in it.

However, regarding the winter flu jab and it’s mercury content, it is in minute traces of Thiomersal which is used as a vaccine preservative and has antibiotic and anti fungal qualities. Millions have had the jab with very few problems reported. A substantive risk assessment has obviously been done and the benefits to people outweigh the disadvantages.

Mercury is toxic in large doses. Very toxic. So are bananas, so are oranges. In extremely large doses. You would probably vomit or pass out before they killed you though but I hope you get my point. Similarly, drinking too much water will kill you. The sodium potassium pump that fuels the electrical working of cells will stop working and you will die.

The mercury amount in the jab is minute. There is no evidence at all to suggest that the tiny amount used in vaccines is dangerous. If people are concerned, a thiomersal free flu vaccine is available.

In reference to the Oxford vaccine I can tell you what is in it if you wish. The ingredients are freely available.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 6:56 pm
by UPTHEPORT
If you eat fish you will be eating small amounts of mercury

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 7:27 pm
by Stan A. Einstein
Apples contain arsenic.

Unfortunately some people who are not overly bright will always be taken in by pseudoscience. Also there is an understandable but nevertheless extremely damaging inability by many to understand risk. Vaccination does carry a risk of an adverse reaction. However that risk is minute compared to the risk posed by virus. Likewise no system of inoculation is 100% effective. These facts don't alter the main fact. Those who are vaccinated are far less likely to die.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 10:00 pm
by Percy plunkett
Vaccination does come with a risk,according to the figures 1645 people have died because they had the vaccination between December and September.This includes four BA pilots,for some reason this wasn’t reported by the media.The 1645 figure was some way down the report as if they wanted people to give up looking but,these figures have to be logged and made public.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 10:05 pm
by Percy plunkett
Pembs,what is a safe level of mercury.It reminds me of the woman who gave her husband a safe amount of arsenic.She kept doing it until it killed him.If you have a flu viaccination every year,when does it become unsafe levels.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 23rd, 2021, 10:44 pm
by Stan A. Einstein
Percy plunkett wrote: November 23rd, 2021, 10:00 pm Vaccination does come with a risk,according to the figures 1645 people have died because they had the vaccination between December and September.This includes four BA pilots,for some reason this wasn’t reported by the media.The 1645 figure was some way down the report as if they wanted people to give up looking but,these figures have to be logged and made public.
Went on Factcheck.org.

The reason that the media didn't pick up on the story is that the deaths had nothing to do with the Covid vaccine.

You are dangerous. People like you have blood on your hands. Stop talking bollox, just because some moron posts up on a weirdo facebook page this nonsense doesn't give you the right to repeat this.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 24th, 2021, 8:36 am
by pembsexile
Percy plunkett wrote: November 23rd, 2021, 10:05 pm Pembs,what is a safe level of mercury.It reminds me of the woman who gave her husband a safe amount of arsenic.She kept doing it until it killed him.If you have a flu viaccination every year,when does it become unsafe levels.
Percy, a safe level of mercury is what we see in the winter flu vaccine. There is a vaccine available without it if people are concerned.

Regarding the hypothetical woman who gave her husband a safe amount of arsenic. I have some questions.
Did she do it with ulterior motives or was it given medically?
Was it regulated?
Was it authorised for use?
Was it given in controlled conditions?
Had millions of other people had the arsenic before?
Was she a Healthcare professional?
Could you read scientific papers on the pro’s and con’s of giving this arsenic dose?
Was he warned before the injection of the pro’s and con’s?

I hope you get my point. Apart from question one, if any of your answers are no, then it’s not really a good analogy is it?

If you are still not satisfied you could do your own risk assessment. Not being patronising but I can help you do it if you wish. You will put in all the benefits and the risks, the possible outcomes and the likelihood's of events happening and come out with a result that if nothing else should ease your worries. It is something that is done throughout all industry these days when there is a potential risk of something happening. Companies and organisations need to do it because if there is a situation and no risk assessment is done then you don’t have a leg to stand on.

I hope I can get you to realise that the winter flu jab is safe and the benefits outweigh the risks. Btw, I had mine about a month ago, as well as my two Covid jabs and the booster. I wouldn’t have done it if I felt it wasn’t safe. It’s not just about protecting me, it’s about protecting others as well.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 24th, 2021, 9:18 am
by Stan A. Einstein
Morning Mike,

I read your post in full. It is reasoned, logical and factually correct.

The story of the death of the four BA pilots is simply sad. Unfortunately some people die before their time. Cancer, heart attacks, accidents can strike any of us at any time. Sometimes death appear in clusters which are purely coincidental. Sometimes motivated by malice and sometimes by stupidity conspiracy theorists conflate.

It seems some dangerous facebook page user decided that the deaths of these pilots would be a useful tool for anti-Vaccination brigade. It is total nonsense.

I have no idea whether Percy is motivated by malice or whether he is a fool. In any event he cannot be reasoned with. I really don't give a toss about many of his lies and jibes. But this matters, propogating this rubbish kills people.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 24th, 2021, 10:16 am
by pembsexile
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 24th, 2021, 9:18 am Morning Mike,

I read your post in full. It is reasoned, logical and factually correct.

The story of the death of the four BA pilots is simply sad. Unfortunately some people die before their time. Cancer, heart attacks, accidents can strike any of us at any time. Sometimes death appear in clusters which are purely coincidental. Sometimes motivated by malice and sometimes by stupidity conspiracy theorists conflate.

It seems some dangerous facebook page userdecided that the deaths of these pilots would be a useful tool for anti-Vaccination brigade. It is total nonsense.

I have no idea whether Percy is motivated by malice or whether he is a total fool. In any event he cannot be reasoned with. I really don't give a toss about many of his lies and jibes. But this matters, propogating this rubbish kills people.
Morning Brendan,
I’ll take your word for it regarding the info’ about the x4 pilots. Very sad an disinformation is the scourge of the modern era particularly with regards to CoVid.

I don’t think at all that Percy is motivated by malice. Unfortunately I believe that Percy has read some misinformation and believed it. I am trying to convince him otherwise.

Hopefully Percy will respond and I can convince him the winter flu jab is safe. I am no expert and the info I have on the winter jab is in the public domain. I just feel that we need to present facts to people and then they can decide.

One of our prominent posters is, or was I believe a Pharmacist. He could give a far better and more scientific explanation than me. I hope he does. It is vital that we get the truth ‘out there’. Misinformation is criminal negligence and can destroy peoples lives.

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 24th, 2021, 10:53 am
by Jack

Re: Stan A. Einstein

Posted: November 24th, 2021, 11:22 am
by yourfinalanswer
Good morning everyone. just found this I don't know if this will help in any way.





Hospitalization among vaccine breakthrough COVID-19 infections

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...

Robust vaccine efficacies at preventing severe symptomatic disease

Breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections in fully vaccinated

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/worryi...

Impact of vaccination on admission to hospital

Patients with confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection

Yale-New Haven Health System, Connecticut

Between March 23 and July 1, 2021

Patients were considered fully vaccinated 14 days after the second dose

969 patients were admitted PCR positive

172 (18%) of 969 patients had received at least one vaccine dose

103 had received a partial vaccine course

15 had received a complete course

54 were fully vaccinated

Among the 54

25 (46%) patients were asymptomatic

4 (7%) had mild disease

11 (20%) had moderate disease

14 (26%) had severe or critical illness

4 (7%) required ICU

1 required ventilation

3 died

Among those with severe or critical illness

Median age 80·5 years

Pre-existing comorbidities in the 14 patients with severe or critical illness

Body–mass index more than 25 kg/m² (n=9)

Cardiovascular disease (n=12)

Lung disease (n=7)

Malignancy (n=4)

Type 2 diabetes (n=7)

Immunosuppressive agent (n=4)

Difference between vaccines

13 of 14 patients had received BNT162b2, Pfizer

1 of the 14 had received mRNA-1273, Moderna

0 of the 14 had received Ad.26. COV2.S, J, and J

May 17, 2021, vaccine doses in Connecticut

Pfizer, 1, 358, 175

Moderna, 1, 044, 420

J and J, 267, 000