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British steel industry
Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
by UPTHEPORT
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 22nd, 2023, 7:38 pm
by Stan A. Einstein
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Too bloody right. £1,000,000,000 given to the Chinese government/company who cut and run when it suits them. I don't blame the Chinese but rather the hapless UK Tory government.
Never give a sucker an even break, eh?
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
by whoareya
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 10:30 am
by UPTHEPORT
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
There's still a coke ovens in Port Talbot ok it's owned by an Indian company but it's used solely to make iron in this country
They talk about the environmental impact of coke making but if we have to import it what's the environmental impact of that
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 10:52 am
by whoareya
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:30 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
There's still a coke ovens in Port Talbot ok it's owned by an Indian company but it's used solely to make iron in this country
They talk about the environmental impact of coke making but if we have to import it what's the environmental impact of that
I think they import all the coal that these plants convert into coke anyway - what is the environmental impact of that?
But in the near future I don't think there will be a need for coke in the British steel industry anyway..........
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 10:54 am
by UPTHEPORT
Yes we need the mine in Cumbria to go ahead that is coking coal
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:02 am
by whoareya
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:54 am
Yes we need the mine in Cumbria to go ahead that is coking coal
British Steel doesn't want that coal Jim, its sulphur content is too high.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... own-demand
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:07 am
by Bangitintrnet
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:52 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:30 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
There's still a coke ovens in Port Talbot ok it's owned by an Indian company but it's used solely to make iron in this country
They talk about the environmental impact of coke making but if we have to import it what's the environmental impact of that
I think they import all the coal that these plants convert into coke anyway - what is the environmental impact of that?
But in the near future I don't think there will be a need for coke in the British steel industry anyway..........
Currently a proposal for Port Talbot to be converted to electric arc furnaces at the cost of £ billions, with the UK government willing to fund £300 million. This is on the basis that it will save jobs and also meet the future global warming commitment.
What the British government should be doing, is funding the nearby lagoon hydroelectric scheme to provide the juice, and future proof the plant.
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:12 am
by whoareya
Bangitintrnet wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 11:07 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:52 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:30 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
There's still a coke ovens in Port Talbot ok it's owned by an Indian company but it's used solely to make iron in this country
They talk about the environmental impact of coke making but if we have to import it what's the environmental impact of that
I think they import all the coal that these plants convert into coke anyway - what is the environmental impact of that?
But in the near future I don't think there will be a need for coke in the British steel industry anyway..........
Currently a proposal for Port Talbot to be converted to electric arc furnaces at the cost of £ billions, with the UK government willing to fund £300 million. This is on the basis that it will save jobs and also meet the future global warming commitment.
What the British government should be doing, is funding the nearby lagoon hydroelectric scheme to provide the juice, and future proof the plant.
Or alternatively bring the various steel companies back into public ownership and subsidise them to the benefit of Britain and British steel workers - like most other developed countries do. Obviously the incumbents won't, but perhaps a future Starmer initiative - like the publicly owned British Energy he announced recently.
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:17 am
by UPTHEPORT
Bangitintrnet wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 11:07 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:52 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:30 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
There's still a coke ovens in Port Talbot ok it's owned by an Indian company but it's used solely to make iron in this country
They talk about the environmental impact of coke making but if we have to import it what's the environmental impact of that
I think they import all the coal that these plants convert into coke anyway - what is the environmental impact of that?
But in the near future I don't think there will be a need for coke in the British steel industry anyway..........
Currently a proposal for Port Talbot to be converted to electric arc furnaces at the cost of £ billions, with the UK government willing to fund £300 million. This is on the basis that it will save jobs and also meet the future global warming commitment.
What the British government should be doing, is funding the nearby lagoon hydroelectric scheme to provide the juice, and future proof the plant.
Speaking to a mate I used to work in llanwern coke ovens with he's a manager now in PT he says plan's in place for one blast furnace reline one arch furnace and a super castor.
Which would be good news
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:23 am
by UPTHEPORT
Yes but I hear Tata is interested
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:27 am
by whoareya
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 11:17 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 11:07 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:52 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 10:30 am
whoareya wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 8:02 am
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 22nd, 2023, 6:36 pm
With today's announcement that the Coke ovens is closing in Scunthorpe and they are going to rely on foreign coke to make iron we as a country are becoming more relianant on other countries for our steel
Port Talbot will be the only Coke ovens in the UK now and if we did have a major conflict where are we going to get our steel and one plant would mean that's a target straight away in any war
A very dangerous situation
Jim, There hasn't been any British coke for years.
British Steel is owned by Hebei Jingye Steel Structure Technology Co., Ltd, a Chinese company. The rest of the steel industry is mostly owned by Tata, an Indian family who bought it off the Dutch Corus group.
They have all received hundreds of millions in taxpayer subsidies/bribes to persuade them to keep plants open and are currently asking for hundreds of millions more to offset their energy costs.
If it gets nuked, ownership is irrelevant. You should be building a shelter under your stairs, instead of running marathons up them.
There's still a coke ovens in Port Talbot ok it's owned by an Indian company but it's used solely to make iron in this country
They talk about the environmental impact of coke making but if we have to import it what's the environmental impact of that
I think they import all the coal that these plants convert into coke anyway - what is the environmental impact of that?
But in the near future I don't think there will be a need for coke in the British steel industry anyway..........
Currently a proposal for Port Talbot to be converted to electric arc furnaces at the cost of £ billions, with the UK government willing to fund £300 million. This is on the basis that it will save jobs and also meet the future global warming commitment.
What the British government should be doing, is funding the nearby lagoon hydroelectric scheme to provide the juice, and future proof the plant.
Speaking to a mate I used to work in llanwern coke ovens with he's a manager now in PT he says plan's in place for one blast furnace reline one arch furnace and a super castor.
Which would be good news
Jim, I think the arc furnace will be largely dependant on the government stumping up £millions to help pay for it.
https://www.ft.com/content/f48feed7-b02 ... ea6600084b
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:30 am
by whoareya
UPTHEPORT wrote: February 23rd, 2023, 11:23 am
Yes but I hear Tata is interested
The upcoming emissions legislation will make coke fired furnaces redundant anyway, that's another reason why they want to switch to electric arc furnaces, but they want the British taxpayer to pay for it...by the time the Cumbrian mine is built (if it ever gets built) it will be redundant before its mined any coal.
Re: British steel industry
Posted: February 23rd, 2023, 11:42 am
by UPTHEPORT
They still have plans to reline either no 4 or 5 furnace so there's a way around legislation
I'm no longer in the steel industry but still passionate that we need a steel industry
It's a very dirty job I've worked on blast furnaces in llanwern 1,2,3 and Coke ovens also the harbour/blending plant in PT
Nearly 30 years service great men and good company but me personally I'm glad I'm out now but the UK still needs a steel industry