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Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 11th, 2023, 10:57 am
by Bangitintrnet
Trigger wrote: March 11th, 2023, 10:25 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm
Trigger wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:13 pm
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 12:40 pm
Stan A. Einstein wrote: March 10th, 2023, 11:39 am
whoareya wrote: March 10th, 2023, 11:09 am

I think any proactivity relates to the club being skint, in which case its actually reactivity.

They've all been ticking along whilst the Cup run money was rolling in and would probably still be doing so if the Cup runs and money had continued to flow.
My thoughts exactly. I would add that the Cup runs were always a temporary. Remember Colchester, Leeds and the Watney Cup? Sutton beating Coventry? Dickie Guy? (Leeds again) Yeovil at Sunderland? Walsall beating Arsenal in the 1930s? I could go on.

The sensible thing to do with an unexpected windfall is to invest it. In the knowledge that it won't happen year in year out.

Only complete idiots in charge of a lower League club would think great Cup runs would go on for ever.

🤔
Invest in what precisely?

NCAFC have a pitch suitable, and a stand suitable for away fans, and Electronic advertising suitable to pay for the former. So similar to Exeter who had cup runs but also huge sums from player sales. Exeter also stayed in the second division for 18 years, with the same manager for the majority of that time.
Training facilities? Like Exeter did!
Gifted to them in the will of a former chairman, not something that the trust paid for, but they have asked the fans to contribute to a £70k fund for fixtures and fittings.
Wasn't that more recent to upgrade it?
If that's the case, then I bow to your greater knowledge, however it is noticeable that the very financially flush Exeter Trust didn't define the facilities as a NEED, just facilitated their development with money from elsewhere that they do not need to pay back.

That is my issue with purchasing RP not on the basis of NEED, but because it might be available for sale.

IMO the reason that may be the case is David Buttress hasn't been able to get any group to take over the Dragon's and a £5 million debt to the WRU, for wages during Covid. Add to that purchasing a ground, that with only 10 home games, they don't desperately need, and you can see why it has been so difficult for him.

Now that the Dragon's have a 6 year warranty from the WRU due to the new pay deal, things might change and he WILL find a group willing to separate the Dragon's from the WRU. The question is then, does that include seperating RP from the WRU as well?

If it is not a good financial proposition for the Dragon's, I would like Jon Pratt to ascertain why? Initially by asking David Buttress.

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 8:31 am
by pembsexile
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 6:38 pm
pembsexile wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:54 pm
TheElfInspector wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:44 pm I have been a member of this message board for several years, having only posted my first two messages recently.

Reading the recent exchanges, this board has become nothing but a nursery playground due to a minority, as is usually the case. Somewhere between the one-upmanship, there lies interesting information, important debates worthy of further conversation and possibly of some concern for us supporters.

I regularly attend matches, know noone and use this group to gain a greater insight in all things County. What incentive do these messages give to encourage new supporters to sign up and contribute to the wider fan base, or maybe even volunteer (as I have in the past) and who knows may even put themselves forward on the board in the future.

I don't know Mr Hando personally or any of the exiles that have passed on to the stadium in the sky, may they all rest in peace. What I am fairly sure of, is that they would speak out against the disrespect being shown to each other. I'm not bothered if I dont ever post again but I certainly didn't sign up to see this.

So much for One Club, One County....
I have complete sympathy for what you say. You have stated that you have been a messageboard member for a few years. Could I ask that you please try and see the bigger picture here. The debate appears to be about club/trust/RP, call it what you like. That is the surface veneer.

What is actually going on is one poster doing his damnest to get another poster to leave the messageboard. He thinks that if enough people say things like you, they will get pissed off, will vote with their feet, or in this case, their fingers and leave the messageboard. He is not the policeman of this board and neither is he the moderator thank goodness. In his attempt to try and get Stan to leave the messageboard, he even replied that ‘Admin know what I am trying to do’. That thread was eventually closed down by Admin after other developments.

Try and see through the fluff and bluster and see what this messageboard really is. A good sounding board for people to discuss all things County, all opinions, especially Exiles, who like me, get most (but not all) of their club info’ from this fantastic resource.
I have never asked you to leave, I have never asked Admin for you to leave, or anything of the sort, so again only lies. I point out the flaws in your argument that's all. And you don't like being challenged do you? You are above all that, you are to do the challenging, no one is to challenge m your views.

This is a discussion forum, all views are valid you don't need to tell people whether their views are valid, as you have above. If you disagree put forward your own views, not attack.

God I hope you acted for the prosecution and not the defence in your professional life.
Well you totally screwed that reply up didn’t you. In your haste you thought you were replying to your arch enemy, not Pembsexile. It was me that posted that, not him. I have never acted for the prosecution, nor the defence in my professional life. Not a lawyer (retired or otherwise) you see. When I first read it I thought you had made a mistake and laughed at you. However, when two posters told you that you had made a mistake thinking it was Stan, you replied ‘does it matter’. Well yes it does actually because in your first post you called me a liar and havent corrected your mistake. You really should get Stan out of your head, he is making you do all sort of silly boy things.

Now, I suggest that you man up, put your big boy pants on and acknowledge your mistake. Otherwise you will have no credibility at all.

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 9:09 am
by lowandhard
pembsexile wrote: March 12th, 2023, 8:31 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 6:38 pm
pembsexile wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:54 pm
TheElfInspector wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:44 pm I have been a member of this message board for several years, having only posted my first two messages recently.

Reading the recent exchanges, this board has become nothing but a nursery playground due to a minority, as is usually the case. Somewhere between the one-upmanship, there lies interesting information, important debates worthy of further conversation and possibly of some concern for us supporters.

I regularly attend matches, know noone and use this group to gain a greater insight in all things County. What incentive do these messages give to encourage new supporters to sign up and contribute to the wider fan base, or maybe even volunteer (as I have in the past) and who knows may even put themselves forward on the board in the future.

I don't know Mr Hando personally or any of the exiles that have passed on to the stadium in the sky, may they all rest in peace. What I am fairly sure of, is that they would speak out against the disrespect being shown to each other. I'm not bothered if I dont ever post again but I certainly didn't sign up to see this.

So much for One Club, One County....
I have complete sympathy for what you say. You have stated that you have been a messageboard member for a few years. Could I ask that you please try and see the bigger picture here. The debate appears to be about club/trust/RP, call it what you like. That is the surface veneer.

What is actually going on is one poster doing his damnest to get another poster to leave the messageboard. He thinks that if enough people say things like you, they will get pissed off, will vote with their feet, or in this case, their fingers and leave the messageboard. He is not the policeman of this board and neither is he the moderator thank goodness. In his attempt to try and get Stan to leave the messageboard, he even replied that ‘Admin know what I am trying to do’. That thread was eventually closed down by Admin after other developments.

Try and see through the fluff and bluster and see what this messageboard really is. A good sounding board for people to discuss all things County, all opinions, especially Exiles, who like me, get most (but not all) of their club info’ from this fantastic resource.
I have never asked you to leave, I have never asked Admin for you to leave, or anything of the sort, so again only lies. I point out the flaws in your argument that's all. And you don't like being challenged do you? You are above all that, you are to do the challenging, no one is to challenge m your views.

This is a discussion forum, all views are valid you don't need to tell people whether their views are valid, as you have above. If you disagree put forward your own views, not attack.

God I hope you acted for the prosecution and not the defence in your professional life.
Well you totally screwed that reply up didn’t you. In your haste you thought you were replying to your arch enemy, not Pembsexile. It was me that posted that, not him. I have never acted for the prosecution, nor the defence in my professional life. Not a lawyer (retired or otherwise) you see. When I first read it I thought you had made a mistake and laughed at you. However, when two posters told you that you had made a mistake thinking it was Stan, you replied ‘does it matter’. Well yes it does actually because in your first post you called me a liar and havent corrected your mistake. You really should get Stan out of your head, he is making you do all sort of silly boy things.

Now, I suggest that you man up, put your big boy pants on and acknowledge your mistake. Otherwise you will have no credibility at all.
That rather assumes he has some to start with 😂

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 9:22 am
by Bangitintrnet
pembsexile wrote: March 12th, 2023, 8:31 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 6:38 pm
pembsexile wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:54 pm
TheElfInspector wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:44 pm I have been a member of this message board for several years, having only posted my first two messages recently.

Reading the recent exchanges, this board has become nothing but a nursery playground due to a minority, as is usually the case. Somewhere between the one-upmanship, there lies interesting information, important debates worthy of further conversation and possibly of some concern for us supporters.

I regularly attend matches, know noone and use this group to gain a greater insight in all things County. What incentive do these messages give to encourage new supporters to sign up and contribute to the wider fan base, or maybe even volunteer (as I have in the past) and who knows may even put themselves forward on the board in the future.

I don't know Mr Hando personally or any of the exiles that have passed on to the stadium in the sky, may they all rest in peace. What I am fairly sure of, is that they would speak out against the disrespect being shown to each other. I'm not bothered if I dont ever post again but I certainly didn't sign up to see this.

So much for One Club, One County....
I have complete sympathy for what you say. You have stated that you have been a messageboard member for a few years. Could I ask that you please try and see the bigger picture here. The debate appears to be about club/trust/RP, call it what you like. That is the surface veneer.

What is actually going on is one poster doing his damnest to get another poster to leave the messageboard. He thinks that if enough people say things like you, they will get pissed off, will vote with their feet, or in this case, their fingers and leave the messageboard. He is not the policeman of this board and neither is he the moderator thank goodness. In his attempt to try and get Stan to leave the messageboard, he even replied that ‘Admin know what I am trying to do’. That thread was eventually closed down by Admin after other developments.

Try and see through the fluff and bluster and see what this messageboard really is. A good sounding board for people to discuss all things County, all opinions, especially Exiles, who like me, get most (but not all) of their club info’ from this fantastic resource.
I have never asked you to leave, I have never asked Admin for you to leave, or anything of the sort, so again only lies. I point out the flaws in your argument that's all. And you don't like being challenged do you? You are above all that, you are to do the challenging, no one is to challenge m your views.

This is a discussion forum, all views are valid you don't need to tell people whether their views are valid, as you have above. If you disagree put forward your own views, not attack.

God I hope you acted for the prosecution and not the defence in your professional life.
Well you totally screwed that reply up didn’t you. In your haste you thought you were replying to your arch enemy, not Pembsexile. It was me that posted that, not him. I have never acted for the prosecution, nor the defence in my professional life. Not a lawyer (retired or otherwise) you see. When I first read it I thought you had made a mistake and laughed at you. However, when two posters told you that you had made a mistake thinking it was Stan, you replied ‘does it matter’. Well yes it does actually because in your first post you called me a liar and havent corrected your mistake. You really should get Stan out of your head, he is making you do all sort of silly boy things.

Now, I suggest that you man up, put your big boy pants on and acknowledge your mistake. Otherwise you will have no credibility at all.
I did make a mistake yes, however when people continually attack me, rather than post their own opinions on the topic, to me it is absolutely the same issue.

Indeed, what you actually said was that I was trying to do my damnest to get another poster to leave this message board. Not only is that not true (or in Courtspeak a lie) but by not posting your own personal view's on the topic, why precisely can't I level your exact claim, and all that follows directly at your door?

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 10:20 am
by Stan A. Einstein
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:22 am
pembsexile wrote: March 12th, 2023, 8:31 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 6:38 pm
pembsexile wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:54 pm
TheElfInspector wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:44 pm I have been a member of this message board for several years, having only posted my first two messages recently.

Reading the recent exchanges, this board has become nothing but a nursery playground due to a minority, as is usually the case. Somewhere between the one-upmanship, there lies interesting information, important debates worthy of further conversation and possibly of some concern for us supporters.

I regularly attend matches, know noone and use this group to gain a greater insight in all things County. What incentive do these messages give to encourage new supporters to sign up and contribute to the wider fan base, or maybe even volunteer (as I have in the past) and who knows may even put themselves forward on the board in the future.

I don't know Mr Hando personally or any of the exiles that have passed on to the stadium in the sky, may they all rest in peace. What I am fairly sure of, is that they would speak out against the disrespect being shown to each other. I'm not bothered if I dont ever post again but I certainly didn't sign up to see this.

So much for One Club, One County....
I have complete sympathy for what you say. You have stated that you have been a messageboard member for a few years. Could I ask that you please try and see the bigger picture here. The debate appears to be about club/trust/RP, call it what you like. That is the surface veneer.

What is actually going on is one poster doing his damnest to get another poster to leave the messageboard. He thinks that if enough people say things like you, they will get pissed off, will vote with their feet, or in this case, their fingers and leave the messageboard. He is not the policeman of this board and neither is he the moderator thank goodness. In his attempt to try and get Stan to leave the messageboard, he even replied that ‘Admin know what I am trying to do’. That thread was eventually closed down by Admin after other developments.

Try and see through the fluff and bluster and see what this messageboard really is. A good sounding board for people to discuss all things County, all opinions, especially Exiles, who like me, get most (but not all) of their club info’ from this fantastic resource.
I have never asked you to leave, I have never asked Admin for you to leave, or anything of the sort, so again only lies. I point out the flaws in your argument that's all. And you don't like being challenged do you? You are above all that, you are to do the challenging, no one is to challenge m your views.

This is a discussion forum, all views are valid you don't need to tell people whether their views are valid, as you have above. If you disagree put forward your own views, not attack.

God I hope you acted for the prosecution and not the defence in your professional life.
Well you totally screwed that reply up didn’t you. In your haste you thought you were replying to your arch enemy, not Pembsexile. It was me that posted that, not him. I have never acted for the prosecution, nor the defence in my professional life. Not a lawyer (retired or otherwise) you see. When I first read it I thought you had made a mistake and laughed at you. However, when two posters told you that you had made a mistake thinking it was Stan, you replied ‘does it matter’. Well yes it does actually because in your first post you called me a liar and havent corrected your mistake. You really should get Stan out of your head, he is making you do all sort of silly boy things.

Now, I suggest that you man up, put your big boy pants on and acknowledge your mistake. Otherwise you will have no credibility at all.
I did make a mistake yes, however when people continually attack me, rather than post their own opinions on the topic, to me it is absolutely the same issue.

Indeed, what you actually said was that I was trying to do my damnest to get another poster to leave this message board. Not only is that not true (or in Courtspeak a lie) but by not posting your own personal view's on the topic, why precisely can't I level your exact claim, and all that follows directly at your door?
My dear chap two things. First of all when a statement is made which is untrue, in court we say the person making it is mistaken. Two reasons for this. Firstly good manners, secondly far more untruths are spoken by people who are mistaken rather than by people telling lies. You may notice that when your post repeatedly calling me a liar was removed. Rightly so. It is a libel to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it to be so. Publishing on social medis that a barrister is a liar is an act of gross stupidity. Don't worry I'm not going to litigate.

Secondly if I were you I would try to show Pembs a little more respect. Reading this board he is the closest thing you have to a friend. After all unlike the rest of us Pembs believes you have some credibility left.

Now back on topic. I am very pleased to see that at long last you have realized that intetesting posts are about the subject at hand. So rather than calling everyone you disagree with a liar or a troll or whatever else comes to your mind, why don't you start to earn back a little bit of credibility and give us your thoughts on the reply?

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 10:55 am
by TheElfInspector
Is this ridiculous playground argument still going on? Yawn!

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 11:04 am
by OLDCROMWELLIAN
TheElfInspector wrote: March 12th, 2023, 10:55 am Is this ridiculous playground argument still going on? Yawn!
Having just reminded myself of the topic heading, has anyone any further thoughts on the topic or have they all been expressed?

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 11:07 am
by Bangitintrnet
Stan A. Einstein wrote: March 12th, 2023, 10:20 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:22 am
pembsexile wrote: March 12th, 2023, 8:31 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: March 10th, 2023, 6:38 pm
pembsexile wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:54 pm
TheElfInspector wrote: March 10th, 2023, 5:44 pm I have been a member of this message board for several years, having only posted my first two messages recently.

Reading the recent exchanges, this board has become nothing but a nursery playground due to a minority, as is usually the case. Somewhere between the one-upmanship, there lies interesting information, important debates worthy of further conversation and possibly of some concern for us supporters.

I regularly attend matches, know noone and use this group to gain a greater insight in all things County. What incentive do these messages give to encourage new supporters to sign up and contribute to the wider fan base, or maybe even volunteer (as I have in the past) and who knows may even put themselves forward on the board in the future.

I don't know Mr Hando personally or any of the exiles that have passed on to the stadium in the sky, may they all rest in peace. What I am fairly sure of, is that they would speak out against the disrespect being shown to each other. I'm not bothered if I dont ever post again but I certainly didn't sign up to see this.

So much for One Club, One County....
I have complete sympathy for what you say. You have stated that you have been a messageboard member for a few years. Could I ask that you please try and see the bigger picture here. The debate appears to be about club/trust/RP, call it what yo sawsu like. That is the surface veneer.

What is actually going on is one poster doing his damnest to get another poster to leave the messageboard. He thinks that if enough people say things like you, they will get pissed off, will vote with their feet, or in this case, their fingers and leave the messageboard. He is not the policeman of this board and neither is he the moderator thank goodness. In his attempt to try and get Stan to leave the messageboard, he even replied that ‘Admin know what I am trying to do’. That thread was eventually closed down by Admin after other developments.

Try and see through the fluff and bluster and see what this messageboard really is. A good sounding board for people to discuss all things County, all opinions, especially Exiles, who like me, get most (but not all) of their club info’ from this fantastic resource.
I have never asked you to leave, I have never asked Admin for you to leave, or anything of the sort, so again only lies. I point out the flaws in your argument that's all. And you don't like being challenged do you? You are above all that, you are to do the challenging, no one is to challenge m your views.

This is a discussion forum, all views are valid you don't need to tell people whether their views are valid, as you have above. If you disagree put forward your own views, not attack.

God I hope you acted for the prosecution and not the defence in your professional life.
Well you totally screwed that reply up didn’t you. In your haste you thought you were replying to your arch enemy, not Pembsexile. It was me that posted that, not him. I have never acted for the prosecution, nor the defence in my professional life. Not a lawyer (retired or otherwise) you see. When I first read it I thought you had made a mistake and laughed at you. However, when two posters told you that you had made a mistake thinking it was Stan, you replied ‘does it matter’. Well yes it does actually because in your first post you called me a liar and havent corrected your mistake. You really should get Stan out of your head, he is making you do all sort of silly boy things.

Now, I suggest that you man up, put your big boy pants on and acknowledge your mistake. Otherwise you will have no credibility at all.
I did make a mistake yes, however when people continually attack me, rather than post their own opinions on the topic, to me it is absolutely the same issue.

Indeed, what you actually said was that I was trying to do my damnest to get another poster to leave this message board. Not only is that not true (or in Courtspeak a lie) but by not posting your own personal view's on the topic, why precisely can't I level your exact claim, and all that follows directly at your door?
My dear chap two things. First of all when a statement is made which is untrue, in court we say the person making it is mistaken. Two reasons for this. Firstly good manners, secondly far more untruths are spoken by people who are mistaken rather than by people telling lies. You may notice that when your post repeatedly calling me a liar was removed. Rightly so. It is a libel to accuse someone of lying unless you can prove it to be so. Publishing on social medis that a barrister is a liar is an act of gross stupidity. Don't worry I'm not going to litigate.

Secondly if I were you I would try to show Pembs a little more respect. Reading this board he is the closest thing you have to a friend. After all unlike the rest of us Pembs believes you have some credibility left.

Now back on topic. I am very pleased to see that at long last you have realized that intetesting posts are about the subject at hand. So rather than calling everyone you disagree with a liar or a troll or whatever else comes to your mind, why don't you start to earn back a little bit of credibility and give us your thoughts on the reply?
I am simply copying you, but instead I explain why I make the comments.

Unlike your habit of calling me a liar, of calling supporter a liar, and others without explanation. In fact when asked directly there is no response from you, it's just a stand alone statement. Now I personally don't see the point in challenging you every time you do it, because it is so frequent, that it just distracts from the issue being discussed, which of course is the intention.

Also I don't ask Admin to have them removed, or for you to be removed, and indeed if Admin has removed my post, then I would suggest that the fact that you have mentioned it, leads us to believe that a request has been made to Admin, and that wouldn't have come from me, would it? It would be nice if it could be reposted so that it can be seen that I do mention exactly the basis upon which I am accusing you of lying, but I won't hold my breath............

Now as for freedom of speech, when someone says "there are only two possibilities, X or Y" that is courtspeak, designed to restrict discussion, not open it out.

When someone writes an statement such as NCAFC are broke and then refuses to provide anything that could possibly lead to that opinion, it is making a statement, not an opinion, which you refuse to answer any questions upon. Furthermore you simply attack those asking the questions.
It is of course nothing but Courtspeak.......

When we have people saying they never post so don't actually offer an opinion that might contain anything slightly different on the topic, but do say they will not post again.......... it makes you wonder what they were providing to the forum in the first place, doesn't it?

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 11:18 am
by Bonson&Hunt
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 11:34 am
by TheElfInspector
This is almost as exciting as yesterday's MOTD yawnfest.

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 12:56 pm
by Stan A. Einstein
OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: March 12th, 2023, 11:04 am
Having just reminded myself of the topic heading, has anyone any further thoughts on the topic or have they all been expressed?
I think they have all been expressed.

Let's hope so.

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 2:29 pm
by Jack
Moved; this is just a personal spat that could be dealt with in private messages.

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 2:43 pm
by Bangitintrnet
Jack wrote: March 12th, 2023, 2:29 pm Moved; this is just a personal spat that could be dealt with in private messages.
I have no objections to this being moved, but I do object to not being able to challenge publicly made comments, as that's precisely what I intend to continue to do in future..........

Is this going the same way as Gary Lineacre and the BBC?

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 6:48 pm
by mad norm
Bangit.....just chill for a while

Re: Reply received.

Posted: March 12th, 2023, 7:07 pm
by Bangitintrnet
mad norm wrote: March 12th, 2023, 6:48 pm Bangit.....just chill for a while
No thanks, you see those who like to spout about transparency are just far too opaque for my liking.

This particular thread opener had a predicted response, and a person who invited others to infer upon the answer to his question, he asked about one person, and one person only.

However, I for one, am very grateful for your continued thought provoking and eye opening contributions.