That’s all very well and I’m sure you represent a considerable number of our fan base but you don’t speak for everyone and other views deserve to be aired too.On the bank wrote: March 26th, 2023, 7:40 am It's petty verbal disputes that put people off reading this message board. Who knows what level of illness the former chairman is suffering. I can only hope he recovers. It's not helped by somebody demanding the trust members should know everything, on and on and on, when they are not even a trust member and are against the trust's current format. The man could be dying and all we have had is a persistent witch hunt because the trust members must know the all the facts. Why must they? May be the former chairman is not perfect, no one is, he's a human being and no person has no annoying traits and habits or does not annoy or cause annoyance to someone, albeit a work colleague. But the continual dispute on here is so, so tedious. Pages of this continual nonsense to know still nothing,but because trust members must know everything according to one person who is not a trust member. The former chairman could be suffering terminal illness and al you get here, who is in charge now? was he a bully.?Who cares all I am interested in and have been since 1975 are the county's matches and results. As far as I can see being a board member is a thankless and onerous task. With a lot of added stress for probably few rewards. It's no surprise come elections nobody stands. And those who do, on a shield of justice remit, quickly leave when the realise this stance can not be continued when running a business.
Well Stan has indicated that an action may be pending, he has never stated that it has started, so may or may not happen.lowandhard wrote: March 26th, 2023, 11:52 amThat’s all very well and I’m sure you represent a considerable number of our fan base but you don’t speak for everyone and other views deserve to be aired too.On the bank wrote: March 26th, 2023, 7:40 am It's petty verbal disputes that put people off reading this message board. Who knows what level of illness the former chairman is suffering. I can only hope he recovers. It's not helped by somebody demanding the trust members should know everything, on and on and on, when they are not even a trust member and are against the trust's current format. The man could be dying and all we have had is a persistent witch hunt because the trust members must know the all the facts. Why must they? May be the former chairman is not perfect, no one is, he's a human being and no person has no annoying traits and habits or does not annoy or cause annoyance to someone, albeit a work colleague. But the continual dispute on here is so, so tedious. Pages of this continual nonsense to know still nothing,but because trust members must know everything according to one person who is not a trust member. The former chairman could be suffering terminal illness and al you get here, who is in charge now? was he a bully.?Who cares all I am interested in and have been since 1975 are the county's matches and results. As far as I can see being a board member is a thankless and onerous task. With a lot of added stress for probably few rewards. It's no surprise come elections nobody stands. And those who do, on a shield of justice remit, quickly leave when the realise this stance can not be continued when running a business.
Like you I bear Mr Foxall no ill will at all and wish him a speedy return to full health, as I think would any reasonable human being.
No, the point is not that, the point is the question, “ what is the health of our football club?”
As a fan for over seventy years, I for one, have more than a passing interest in that question and like a few others seek a bit more transparency in elucidating the truth. No, I don’t want the minutiae of how much the first team socks cost, I want to know the real financial situation, whether or not we are being sued and who the hell is skippering the ship. It’s not a lot to ask for a supposedly fans-owned club - and before you ask, yes I am a shareholder and member of the Trust.
Having just reminded myself of the AGM of Sept 2018, when the result of the survey about future ownership was discussed, I believe the following are salient points.Bangitintrnet wrote: March 26th, 2023, 1:13 pmWell Stan has indicated that an action may be pending, he has never stated that it has started, so may or may not happen.lowandhard wrote: March 26th, 2023, 11:52 amThat’s all very well and I’m sure you represent a considerable number of our fan base but you don’t speak for everyone and other views deserve to be aired too.On the bank wrote: March 26th, 2023, 7:40 am It's petty verbal disputes that put people off reading this message board. Who knows what level of illness the former chairman is suffering. I can only hope he recovers. It's not helped by somebody demanding the trust members should know everything, on and on and on, when they are not even a trust member and are against the trust's current format. The man could be dying and all we have had is a persistent witch hunt because the trust members must know the all the facts. Why must they? May be the former chairman is not perfect, no one is, he's a human being and no person has no annoying traits and habits or does not annoy or cause annoyance to someone, albeit a work colleague. But the continual dispute on here is so, so tedious. Pages of this continual nonsense to know still nothing,but because trust members must know everything according to one person who is not a trust member. The former chairman could be suffering terminal illness and al you get here, who is in charge now? was he a bully.?Who cares all I am interested in and have been since 1975 are the county's matches and results. As far as I can see being a board member is a thankless and onerous task. With a lot of added stress for probably few rewards. It's no surprise come elections nobody stands. And those who do, on a shield of justice remit, quickly leave when the realise this stance can not be continued when running a business.
Like you I bear Mr Foxall no ill will at all and wish him a speedy return to full health, as I think would any reasonable human being.
No, the point is not that, the point is the question, “ what is the health of our football club?”
As a fan for over seventy years, I for one, have more than a passing interest in that question and like a few others seek a bit more transparency in elucidating the truth. No, I don’t want the minutiae of how much the first team socks cost, I want to know the real financial situation, whether or not we are being sued and who the hell is skippering the ship. It’s not a lot to ask for a supposedly fans-owned club - and before you ask, yes I am a shareholder and member of the Trust.
Someone has posted that the financial figures will be available from Companies house in a couple of months. Before then it seems to me likely that an EGM will be called, and would suggest that the current financial plan will be put against a possible future alternative at the EGM.
The first of these meetings was held. At that meeting a majority decided not to take the idea forward and it was dropped.OLDCROMWELLIAN wrote: March 26th, 2023, 2:07 pmHaving just reminded myself of the AGM of Sept 2018, when the result of the survey about future ownership was discussed, I believe the following are salient points.Bangitintrnet wrote: March 26th, 2023, 1:13 pmWell Stan has indicated that an action may be pending, he has never stated that it has started, so may or may not happen.lowandhard wrote: March 26th, 2023, 11:52 amThat’s all very well and I’m sure you represent a considerable number of our fan base but you don’t speak for everyone and other views deserve to be aired too.On the bank wrote: March 26th, 2023, 7:40 am It's petty verbal disputes that put people off reading this message board. Who knows what level of illness the former chairman is suffering. I can only hope he recovers. It's not helped by somebody demanding the trust members should know everything, on and on and on, when they are not even a trust member and are against the trust's current format. The man could be dying and all we have had is a persistent witch hunt because the trust members must know the all the facts. Why must they? May be the former chairman is not perfect, no one is, he's a human being and no person has no annoying traits and habits or does not annoy or cause annoyance to someone, albeit a work colleague. But the continual dispute on here is so, so tedious. Pages of this continual nonsense to know still nothing,but because trust members must know everything according to one person who is not a trust member. The former chairman could be suffering terminal illness and al you get here, who is in charge now? was he a bully.?Who cares all I am interested in and have been since 1975 are the county's matches and results. As far as I can see being a board member is a thankless and onerous task. With a lot of added stress for probably few rewards. It's no surprise come elections nobody stands. And those who do, on a shield of justice remit, quickly leave when the realise this stance can not be continued when running a business.
Like you I bear Mr Foxall no ill will at all and wish him a speedy return to full health, as I think would any reasonable human being.
No, the point is not that, the point is the question, “ what is the health of our football club?”
As a fan for over seventy years, I for one, have more than a passing interest in that question and like a few others seek a bit more transparency in elucidating the truth. No, I don’t want the minutiae of how much the first team socks cost, I want to know the real financial situation, whether or not we are being sued and who the hell is skippering the ship. It’s not a lot to ask for a supposedly fans-owned club - and before you ask, yes I am a shareholder and member of the Trust.
Someone has posted that the financial figures will be available from Companies house in a couple of months. Before then it seems to me likely that an EGM will be called, and would suggest that the current financial plan will be put against a possible future alternative at the EGM.
Firstly, as the survey indicated that 74 % of the responders (trust and non- trust members) indicated a preference for a hybrid model the Trust board accepted that they have a mandate to explore what a hybrid model could look like.
Secondly they will communicate those explorations to the Trust members for discussion, possibly at a series of meetings, before potentially putting it to a vote.
Thirdly that process is likely to take place in the close season.
I'm unsure, if these potential discussions take place, whether or not, they are likely to take place before or after the latest financial audit has been filed.
I understand that position precisely and especially because I also have always favoured the Trust model. However we may be faced with a difficult decision in the near future. If the Trust is finding itself unable to maintain a stable financial situation ( I don’t know that to be true, mind you ) we are left on the horns of a dilemma. We either content ourselves with a fans-owned model possibly involving an eventual relegation because of inadequate first team funding or we take a chance of relinquishing ownership in the hopes of enhancing funding and possible improvement in our fortunes but of course with no guarantee that that will, in fact, be the outcome. We don’t have the simple decision that Wrexham fans had to make ie putative owners with fairly limitless cash. It’s not an easy one and hence the need for a great degree of transparency between the Trust and the fans, we need that to make a rational decision. We will all need our wits about us and some full and frank discussions. It’s unlikely that anyone coming in would be content with anything less than a controlling interest so once we let go of the reins…pembsexile wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:19 pm Interesting times ahead for the Trust. We, the Trust, the Trust Board will have to take a decision soon on the way forward and whether we seek to go forward with a hybrid model. We have discarded the idea once. I have no idea how the hybrid model will work and I need some further information on it.
Whatever peoples views on the current working arrangements at the club/Trust it seems that Jon Pratt is the catalyst for change up until now. No one knows what his plans/motives are because he hasn’t told us. Surely in the interest of the club and to stop speculation, a statement from him would be welcome.
As it stands, I wouldn’t vote for change because I have no idea what it would mean.
I too would much prefer a fans owned club. Sadly I think that that dream is dying if not dead. There are those I know who argue that if the Trust is failing it is the fault of it's members and ex members. I take the view that the way the Trust rust has been run has put fan engagement off.lowandhard wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:57 pmI understand that position precisely and especially because I also have always favoured the Trust model. However we may be faced with a difficult decision in the near future. If the Trust is finding itself unable to maintain a stable financial situation ( I don’t know that to be true, mind you ) we are left on the horns of a dilemma. We either content ourselves with a fans-owned model possibly involving an eventual relegation because of inadequate first team funding or we take a chance of relinquishing ownership in the hopes of enhancing funding and possible improvement in our fortunes but of course with no guarantee that that will, in fact, be the outcome. We don’t have the simple decision that Wrexham fans had to make ie putative owners with fairly limitless cash. It’s not an easy one and hence the need for a great degree of transparency between the Trust and the fans, we need that to make a rational decision. We will all need our wits about us and some full and frank discussions. It’s unlikely that anyone coming in would be content with anything less than a controlling interest so once we let go of the reins…pembsexile wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:19 pm Interesting times ahead for the Trust. We, the Trust, the Trust Board will have to take a decision soon on the way forward and whether we seek to go forward with a hybrid model. We have discarded the idea once. I have no idea how the hybrid model will work and I need some further information on it.
Whatever peoples views on the current working arrangements at the club/Trust it seems that Jon Pratt is the catalyst for change up until now. No one knows what his plans/motives are because he hasn’t told us. Surely in the interest of the club and to stop speculation, a statement from him would be welcome.
As it stands, I wouldn’t vote for change because I have no idea what it would mean.
As with Wrexham, the only ‘we’ who will have a decision to make is the Trust membership. No-one else will have a say.lowandhard wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:57 pmI understand that position precisely and especially because I also have always favoured the Trust model. However we may be faced with a difficult decision in the near future. If the Trust is finding itself unable to maintain a stable financial situation ( I don’t know that to be true, mind you ) we are left on the horns of a dilemma. We either content ourselves with a fans-owned model possibly involving an eventual relegation because of inadequate first team funding or we take a chance of relinquishing ownership in the hopes of enhancing funding and possible improvement in our fortunes but of course with no guarantee that that will, in fact, be the outcome. We don’t have the simple decision that Wrexham fans had to make ie putative owners with fairly limitless cash. It’s not an easy one and hence the need for a great degree of transparency between the Trust and the fans, we need that to make a rational decision. We will all need our wits about us and some full and frank discussions. It’s unlikely that anyone coming in would be content with anything less than a controlling interest so once we let go of the reins…pembsexile wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:19 pm Interesting times ahead for the Trust. We, the Trust, the Trust Board will have to take a decision soon on the way forward and whether we seek to go forward with a hybrid model. We have discarded the idea once. I have no idea how the hybrid model will work and I need some further information on it.
Whatever peoples views on the current working arrangements at the club/Trust it seems that Jon Pratt is the catalyst for change up until now. No one knows what his plans/motives are because he hasn’t told us. Surely in the interest of the club and to stop speculation, a statement from him would be welcome.
As it stands, I wouldn’t vote for change because I have no idea what it would mean.
Said by someone who doesn't contribute towards the trust, and has never chosen to contribute towards the trust.......Stan A. Einstein wrote: March 26th, 2023, 4:24 pmI too would much prefer a fans owned club. Sadly I think that that dream is dying if not dead. There are those I know who argue that if the Trust is failing it is the fault of it's members and ex members. I take the view that the way the Trust rust has been run has put fan engagement off.lowandhard wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:57 pmI understand that position precisely and especially because I also have always favoured the Trust model. However we may be faced with a difficult decision in the near future. If the Trust is finding itself unable to maintain a stable financial situation ( I don’t know that to be true, mind you ) we are left on the horns of a dilemma. We either content ourselves with a fans-owned model possibly involving an eventual relegation because of inadequate first team funding or we take a chance of relinquishing ownership in the hopes of enhancing funding and possible improvement in our fortunes but of course with no guarantee that that will, in fact, be the outcome. We don’t have the simple decision that Wrexham fans had to make ie putative owners with fairly limitless cash. It’s not an easy one and hence the need for a great degree of transparency between the Trust and the fans, we need that to make a rational decision. We will all need our wits about us and some full and frank discussions. It’s unlikely that anyone coming in would be content with anything less than a controlling interest so once we let go of the reins…pembsexile wrote: March 26th, 2023, 3:19 pm Interesting times ahead for the Trust. We, the Trust, the Trust Board will have to take a decision soon on the way forward and whether we seek to go forward with a hybrid model. We have discarded the idea once. I have no idea how the hybrid model will work and I need some further information on it.
Whatever peoples views on the current working arrangements at the club/Trust it seems that Jon Pratt is the catalyst for change up until now. No one knows what his plans/motives are because he hasn’t told us. Surely in the interest of the club and to stop speculation, a statement from him would be welcome.
As it stands, I wouldn’t vote for change because I have no idea what it would mean.
Either way I don't suppose it matters much, that ship has sailed with us still on the quay.
I don't know Jon Pratt. I have been assured by those who do that he is the real deal.
I hope so.
Me too. My concern is that he has not said a word to supporters since joining the board.Jonesy3 wrote: March 26th, 2023, 5:54 pm [quote}
I too would much prefer a fans owned club. Sadly I think that that dream is dying if not dead. There are those I know who argue that if the Trust is failing it is the fault of it's members and ex members. I take the view that the way the Trust rust has been run has put fan engagement off.
Either way I don't suppose it matters much, that ship has sailed with us still on the quay.
I don't know Jon Pratt. I have been assured by those who do that he is the real deal.
I hope so.
My concern is that he hasn't got any real money. And in any case lives in America where he cannot do much to help us other than give money.G Guest wrote: March 26th, 2023, 6:27 pmMe too. My concern is that he has not said a word to supporters since joining the board.Jonesy3 wrote: March 26th, 2023, 5:54 pm [quote}
I too would much prefer a fans owned club. Sadly I think that that dream is dying if not dead. There are those I know who argue that if the Trust is failing it is the fault of it's members and ex members. I take the view that the way the Trust rust has been run has put fan engagement off.
Either way I don't suppose it matters much, that ship has sailed with us still on the quay.
I don't know Jon Pratt. I have been assured by those who do that he is the real deal.
I hope so.
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