Mum makes her position clear.

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JonD wrote: August 28th, 2023, 12:53 pm Mum makes her position clear.

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from the sublime to the ridiculous as my granny might have said. Or as Don Corleone said , “ that it should come to this “ or more footballingly “ unbelievable Jeff “.

Reading some subsequent press it does appear that all this is a proxy for a wider debate/simmering tension around the treatment of women in Spain - while in the UK I believe we have come to the point of uber equality for women, there does appear to be a more 1950's approach to women in parts of continental Europe, as I implied initially there is much more too this than an inappropriate kiss or football.

[edit] again I don't mean some conspiracy here that's not what is happening however in Spain itself this has clearly been a lighting rod for other grievances and issues.

Well my Mrs thinks this is going way to far , We both looked at each other when he did it and thought it was a bit cringy but then seen her laughing after we just thought it was like a personal joke between them.

We both have the same thoughts that this could lead to him taking his own life it's getting ridiculous now

UPTHEPORT wrote: August 29th, 2023, 9:59 am Well my Mrs thinks this is going way to far , We both looked at each other when he did it and thought it was a bit cringy but then seen her laughing after we just thought it was like a personal joke between them.

We both have the same thoughts that this could lead to him taking his own life it's getting ridiculous now

Yes it could end in such a tragedy and at least one life will be at least ruined.
Anyone arriving at this incident unwittingly might have asked “ who died ? “ . They could get an answer.

Had he apologised and resigned for his unacceptable behaviour this would not have blown up as it has. However, his ridiculous shouting repeatedly ‘I will not resign’ speech and the Spanish FA then calling Hermoso a liar and threatening to sue, really hasn’t helped him & this was only ever going to get stronger.

The suicide/hunger strike angle has certainly shot down my theory that the matter would inevitably end in his resignation.

But, despite that, I agree with Exile 1976.

Exile 1976 wrote: August 29th, 2023, 2:38 pm Had he apologised and resigned for his unacceptable behaviour this would not have blown up as it has. However, his ridiculous shouting repeatedly ‘I will not resign’ speech and the Spanish FA then calling Hermoso a liar and threatening to sue, really hasn’t helped him & this was only ever going to get stronger.

I definitely agree on an apology at least and it may have all blown over.

An apology certainly. But having to lose your job and career for that is simply too much. The real problem here is that extremists will always latch on to this type of behaviour. Women should not have to tolerate this boorish behaviour, and it is boorish. But by the same token if we don't distinguish between offensive and violent behaviour and the pig ignorant stupid then we really do have problems. Is a reprimand, a fine and going on a gender awareness course, along with the fact he has been publicly humiliated a suitable sanction?

In my view yes.

Stan A. Einstein wrote: August 29th, 2023, 4:28 pm An apology certainly. But having to lose your job and career for that is simply too much. The real problem here is that extremists will always latch on to this type of behaviour. Women should not have to tolerate this boorish behaviour, and it is boorish. But by the same token if we don't distinguish between offensive and violent behaviour and the pig ignorant stupid then we really do have problems. Is a reprimand, a fine and going on a gender awareness course, along with the fact he has been publicly humiliated a suitable sanction?

In my view yes.

Even that's too much in my eyes. It's not like he had his old boy in his hand as he was doing it. It was clearly in a moment of genuine elation - just look at the joy on his face.

lowandhard wrote: August 26th, 2023, 7:58 pm I think I’m with Cathedral County on this. It wasn’t great behaviour but it wasn’t crime of the century either. Everybody would have had a much more pleasant last few days if she had made it personally plain to him that such behaviour was unacceptable and everyone had got on with celebrating a fine win.
As it is, everybody’s upset, the nation is split, the guy will probably lose his job and relations between mens and women’s football in Spain is rather strained to say the least.
Over that incident? Really?
Edit: by the way, I’m not blaming the woman involved for all this circus, he was a fool to do what he did but I think some individuals and groups are using the incident for their own political ends. She was probably put in a position where she had to go along with all these consequences when it could and should have been sorted in five minutes.

If you look carefully at them both just after the famous Kiss, they are both still smiling and laughing. So did the person that he kissed seem angry to you or upset (did she run off crying and complain), no of course not she wasn't worried in the slightest. She's just been involved in the greatest game that she and her fellow players have ever been involved in, the World Cup. It wasn't until maybe a few hours or a day later that the media brought it to her attention. Complaints were made.

This is my opinion, I don't think she was that bothered at all. If the Pope had been their and she kissed him, she wouldn't have cared one little bit. The media are always looking for a good story that will sell their newspapers, and on that day they got their story alright.

So I'm sorry to have to say, I don't believe that he should lose his job because one silly mistake.
He should just apologies. Leave them both alone, and let them both get on with what they do best.

The bloke grabbed his own nuts in front of young Royalty,so the media tell us...to me that is more contentious than the "Kiss"

Torquay Exile wrote: September 3rd, 2023, 6:54 pm

lowandhard wrote: August 26th, 2023, 7:58 pm I think I’m with Cathedral County on this. It wasn’t great behaviour but it wasn’t crime of the century either. Everybody would have had a much more pleasant last few days if she had made it personally plain to him that such behaviour was unacceptable and everyone had got on with celebrating a fine win.
As it is, everybody’s upset, the nation is split, the guy will probably lose his job and relations between mens and women’s football in Spain is rather strained to say the least.
Over that incident? Really?
Edit: by the way, I’m not blaming the woman involved for all this circus, he was a fool to do what he did but I think some individuals and groups are using the incident for their own political ends. She was probably put in a position where she had to go along with all these consequences when it could and should have been sorted in five minutes.

If you look carefully at them both just after the famous Kiss, they are both still smiling and laughing. So did the person that he kissed seem angry to you or upset (did she run off crying and complain), no of course not she wasn't worried in the slightest. She's just been involved in the greatest game that she and her fellow players have ever been involved in, the World Cup. It wasn't until maybe a few hours or a day later that the media brought it to her attention. Complaints were made.

This is my opinion, I don't think she was that bothered at all. If the Pope had been their and she kissed him, she wouldn't have cared one little bit. The media are always looking for a good story that will sell their newspapers, and on that day they got their story alright.

So I'm sorry to have to say, I don't believe that he should lose his job because one silly mistake.
He should just apologies. Leave them both alone, and let them both get on with what they do best.

Fight or flight isn't the only response to an uncomfortable situation.

Uh oh, Gazza could be the next big scandal, he's kissed a prince. Perhaps he was hoping he'd turn into a frog. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66743220

JonD wrote: August 26th, 2023, 1:57 pm The Spanish Football Federation's handling of this "snog the scorer" controversy is only going to end one way. But boy are they making a meal of it.

And breathe...

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