I thought the card-happy **** in the middle spoiled the game with unnecessary bookings early on causing him problems later. He did get the penalties right though.
Positives for me, a quality goal, the fight to keep the point, Drysdale’s return and some good saves from Townsend. Another highlight for me was Coughlan’s header designed to annoy the prat masquerading as a referee who was too scared to book him in case he got lynched!

lowandhard wrote: September 16th, 2023, 6:21 pm I thought the card-happy **** in the middle spoiled the game with unnecessary bookings early on causing him problems later. He did get the penalties right though.
Positives for me, a quality goal, the fight to keep the point, Drysdale’s return and some good saves from Townsend. Another highlight for me was Coughlan’s header designed to annoy the prat masquerading as a referee who was too scared to book him in case he got lynched!

What’s wrong with tw@t? Hardly hardcore is it?

lowandhard wrote: September 16th, 2023, 6:21 pm I thought the card-happy **** in the middle spoiled the game with unnecessary bookings early on causing him problems later. He did get the penalties right though.
Positives for me, a quality goal, the fight to keep the point, Drysdale’s return and some good saves from Townsend. Another highlight for me was Coughlan’s header designed to annoy the prat masquerading as a referee who was too scared to book him in case he got lynched!

Succinct summary

flat4 wrote: September 16th, 2023, 2:10 pm Bugger NT in the starting 11

I’d have agreed with this before kick off but after that game I’d say Townsend kept us in that game. Had at least three or four great stops. Pleased he’s bounced back

I’d have to say, Lewis and Bogle were a bit poor though…

lowandhard wrote: September 16th, 2023, 6:22 pm

lowandhard wrote: September 16th, 2023, 6:21 pm I thought the card-happy **** in the middle spoiled the game with unnecessary bookings early on causing him problems later. He did get the penalties right though.
Positives for me, a quality goal, the fight to keep the point, Drysdale’s return and some good saves from Townsend. Another highlight for me was Coughlan’s header designed to annoy the prat masquerading as a referee who was too scared to book him in case he got lynched!

What’s wrong with tw@t? Hardly hardcore is it?

Agreed, Ref was absolutely shite. Complete and utter ****

Perhaps this unfair under the circumstances but it crossed my mind during the game: I accept that we got a point and that going down to 10 men changed the situation, but did we really need to give up almost any attacking intent and let Barrow come onto us pretty much constantly during the second half?

Bogle was up front on his own 2nd half against big centre Half's, thought he kept battling and was knackered when he got substituted

Crazy frog wrote: September 17th, 2023, 5:16 am Bogle was up front on his own 2nd half against big centre Half's, thought he kept battling and was knackered when he got substituted

Not forgetting that Bogle did have a shot on target 2nd half which was well block by their CB.

Falling back on defence was wrong. It made the equaliser almost inevitable. Bogle wasn't really up to the job of lone striker. Too much running involved. GC had several other options to use a younger player such as Thomas or Rai for that job. Bogle could have dropped into the defence.

G Guest wrote: September 17th, 2023, 11:41 am Falling back on defence was wrong. It made the equaliser almost inevitable. Bogle wasn't really up to the job of lone striker. Too much running involved. GC had several other options to use a younger player such as Thomas or Rai for that job. Bogle could have dropped into the defence.

Suspect GC was reticent to trust putting Thomas on for Bogle earlier to play the loan striker role. Afterall he is almost totally inexperienced at EFL level, and Bogle isn't.
Hopefully, despite only cameo appearances to date, having seen his obvious pace and physicality, he will have more faith in him in future and will give him more game time.

Thought I should say that I thought Barrow's all black kit was absolutely superb.

Why are clubs allowed to change kit for no reason - Barrow’s kit is blue and white so no colour clash yet they played in a kit with black shorts. Also while I am at it what’s happened to throw ins - a good few were clearly foul throws yesterday. Same every week.

Yes, certainly a few one arm throw ins yesterday.
As for the change kit, I'd guess it's something to do with sponsorship arrangements and/or kit deals whereby the second kit must be worn. I did comment to my mate about the black shorts clashing. However, the all black looked great.

faerun exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 1:38 pm Why are clubs allowed to change kit for no reason - Barrow’s kit is blue and white so no colour clash yet they played in a kit with black shorts. Also while I am at it what’s happened to throw ins - a good few were clearly foul throws yesterday. Same every week.

The foul throws I agree are endemic now at every level and have been for years. As for yesterday in particular, it may have been down to the ref only having read the penalty law, all other infringements he thought were yellow cards unless they were perpetrated against teams with amber shirts in which case a chat and congratulatory pat on the back is the sanction.

lowandhard wrote: September 17th, 2023, 2:31 pm

faerun exile wrote: September 17th, 2023, 1:38 pm Why are clubs allowed to change kit for no reason - Barrow’s kit is blue and white so no colour clash yet they played in a kit with black shorts. Also while I am at it what’s happened to throw ins - a good few were clearly foul throws yesterday. Same every week.

The foul throws I agree are endemic now at every level and have been for years. As for yesterday in particular, it may have been down to the ref only having read the penalty law, all other infringements he thought were yellow cards unless they were perpetrated against teams with amber shirts in which case a chat and congratulatory pat on the back is the sanction.

Something referees used to get taught is to set a threshold for fouls, cautions etc at the start of the game, discuss this with your assistants during your briefing but keep it constantly under review and if necessary change it and communicate to you assistants when you are doing so. This may only be necessary for a short period for example following a mass confrontation when you want to nip any recurrence in the bud or it may be that both teams are kicking each other regardless and you would rather not send off so many that you have to abandon the game etc. On Saturday, the referee had a limit that we crossed far more often than Barrow did, he will not see this as a reason to change his approach but the players should have changed theirs, we didn't and paid the consequences. It reminded me of some of our FA Cup games against League teams when we were non-league where we just didn't get how the referee wanted to manage the game and effectively played against 12 men.