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Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.

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Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:59 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.
Whatever role is eventually adopted by the Trust, first and foremost for me they must represent the voice and feelings of the majority of supporters. A HJ appointing a Trust representative to the board, such as Alan Curtis, as you suggest, certainly would not be suitable to fulfill that role.

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I decided to retain my Trust membership until the gifting is completed.

There can be no realistic future for the Trust until an election takes place - there won't be any trust in it until the incumbents step down or are voted out. Of course that requires the Trust members to be interested enough to stand for election. If the incumbents are again elected unopposed then it really is a dead duck.

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I don't expect the current Trust board will wish to keep going. A fresh slate with different objectives would need a different mindset and ideas. An election with the vision set out in individual manifestos will be necessary. After all, they will no longer be running a football club, but perhaps overseeing certain aspects of it. I too will maintain my membership. It may be six to twelve months before the dust settles.

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Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:59 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.



Do you remember a little while ago I said that I know your name, well let me say that I am hundred percent sure I know you are. Your secret is safe with me. I also know who you are Close Friends with.

I don't agree with your vote for "Alan Curtis". I would choose a person like Robert Santwris, he would definitely get my vote every time, I would trust him more than I would Alan Curtis, I bet you are wondering why not Alan Curtis, well there can only be one reason, and that reason is because he's too close Huw Jenkins.

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Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 11:07 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:59 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.



Do you remember a little while ago I said that I know your name, well let me say that I am hundred percent sure I know you are. Your secret is safe with me. I also know who you are Close Friends with.

I don't agree with your vote for "Alan Curtis". I would choose a person like Robert Santwris, he would definitely get my vote every time, I would trust him more than I would Alan Curtis, I bet you are wondering why not Alan Curtis, well there can only be one reason, and that reason is because he's too close Huw Jenkins.
It doesn't matter how many times you try to guess, you are simply wrong, you don't know me, and I am not related to anybody you have heard of.

To me the trust simply has no purpose anymore. Unless people can see that it should have direct and total control from HJ, no elections, no agendas, none of the total and utter bollocks, then it should be disbanded..........

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Bangitintrnet wrote: November 5th, 2023, 1:02 pm
Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 11:07 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:59 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.



Do you remember a little while ago I said that I know your name, well let me say that I am hundred percent sure I know you are. Your secret is safe with me. I also know who you are Close Friends with.

I don't agree with your vote for "Alan Curtis". I would choose a person like Robert Santwris, he would definitely get my vote every time, I would trust him more than I would Alan Curtis, I bet you are wondering why not Alan Curtis, well there can only be one reason, and that reason is because he's too close Huw Jenkins.
It doesn't matter how many times you try to guess, you are simply wrong, you don't know me, and I am not related to anybody you have heard of.

To me the trust simply has no purpose anymore. Unless people can see that it should have direct and total control from HJ, no elections, no agendas, none of the total and utter bollocks, then it should be disbanded..........
HJ could be in control of the Trust, if he or his nominees were elected as Trustees. Other than through Trust director elections, there is no way that he could take direct and total control. However, even if he was remotely interested in taking control, which I doubt, I think that the chances of him and/or his nominees being elected are very slim. I do not believe, although I admittedly don't know, that the Trust members would vote to become an undemocratically controlled department of the AFC, to which they just acted as a 'cash cow'. I hope those days are gone.

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Bangitintrnet wrote: November 5th, 2023, 1:02 pm
Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 11:07 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:59 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.



Do you remember a little while ago I said that I know your name, well let me say that I am hundred percent sure I know you are. Your secret is safe with me. I also know who you are Close Friends with.

I don't agree with your vote for "Alan Curtis". I would choose a person like Robert Santwris, he would definitely get my vote every time, I would trust him more than I would Alan Curtis, I bet you are wondering why not Alan Curtis, well there can only be one reason, and that reason is because he's too close Huw Jenkins.
It doesn't matter how many times you try to guess, you are simply wrong, you don't know me, and I am not related to anybody you have heard of.

To me the trust simply has no purpose anymore. Unless people can see that it should have direct and total control from HJ, no elections, no agendas, none of the total and utter bollocks, then it should be disbanded..........



The trouble is I'm not guessing, I know who you are, and as I have said I also know who your Close Friends are.

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Chris Davis wrote: November 5th, 2023, 2:44 pm
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 5th, 2023, 1:02 pm
Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 11:07 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 10:59 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 4th, 2023, 9:37 am
Bangitintrnet wrote: November 4th, 2023, 7:32 am
Stan A. Einstein wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 4:14 pm
Chris Davis wrote: November 3rd, 2023, 3:34 pm

I agree with you that HJ will have de facto control. However, I think that the impact that the Trust will have will all boil down to how far HJ accepts that the Trust has a significant role to play in the future of the AFC. In short, does it have a value to him and what does he have to do or concede in terms of AFC Board influence to get that value? That, for me, is determined by how active the Trust is in delivering the aspirations set out in the agreed proposal. I also think that it would be advantageous to the Trust, the AFC and the wider community if the Trust is there as a 'buyer of last resort' if it does not succeed as HJ wishes it to.
Pausing for a moment.

Firstly we know that Mr Jenkins fell out with the Swansea City Trust. We also know that he did so because at the moment it suited Mr Jenkins he sold the club to American investors leaving the Trust and its' members high and dry. No doubt Mr Jenkins would argue, and with some merit, that he left Swansea in a far better position than he found them.

Secondly we have seen over the last year the financial acumen of those who administered Newport County. The idea the greatest fool in Wales would take advice from that crowd is fanciful. The idea that a highly competent businessman would take any notice of the directors of the Trust is beyond barking.
HJ offered the Swansea Trust the chance to to increase their shareholding before selling his shares, they were unable, or unwilling to step up to the plate and run the club.

In his governance proposal HJ states that the trust would be involved in how money is spent. I suspect that is in relation to trust money only, as he also mentions ring fencing money.

I see no reason why his board should require trust involvement, other than for trust investment decisions. That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money.
"That is why I believe that the trust paying for experienced football people to have a defined role with the club, but also sit on the club board when required, could be a good use of trust money." By that, do you mean that the Trust should fund executive jobs within the AFC and those executives be appointed at Director level? Or do you mean that the Trust should pay some remuneration to it's proposed agreed Directors, who represent it on the BOD? I think the first would have some difficulty because employees of the AFC and particularly BOD level employees would entirely owe their duties to the AFC and not the Trust. The second, although more feasible, would probably require the recruitment of part time non executive directors who had the relevant football experience (howsoever defined) and other attributes. They may certainly want remunerating although you might of course get volunteers. Even so, as Directors of the AFC by law they would be required to act in the interests of the AFC and not the Trust
To clarify, I am of the view that the trust funds could be used to fund part time wages of football people, let's say Alan Curtis, who may not want full time commitment, but would have a lot to offer NCAFC. He could also represent the trust at board level of NCAFC on a non payment basis.

That's what I am driving at, but with HJ deciding his role at NCAFC, but hopefully leading and mentoring younger people.

I personnally do not see a trust representative on the NCAFC board looking after say the commercial side of the club, as that type of role will be filled already.



Do you remember a little while ago I said that I know your name, well let me say that I am hundred percent sure I know you are. Your secret is safe with me. I also know who you are Close Friends with.

I don't agree with your vote for "Alan Curtis". I would choose a person like Robert Santwris, he would definitely get my vote every time, I would trust him more than I would Alan Curtis, I bet you are wondering why not Alan Curtis, well there can only be one reason, and that reason is because he's too close Huw Jenkins.
It doesn't matter how many times you try to guess, you are simply wrong, you don't know me, and I am not related to anybody you have heard of.

To me the trust simply has no purpose anymore. Unless people can see that it should have direct and total control from HJ, no elections, no agendas, none of the total and utter bollocks, then it should be disbanded..........
HJ could be in control of the Trust, if he or his nominees were elected as Trustees. Other than through Trust director elections, there is no way that he could take direct and total control. However, even if he was remotely interested in taking control, which I doubt, I think that the chances of him and/or his nominees being elected are very slim. I do not believe, although I admittedly don't know, that the Trust members would vote to become an undemocratically controlled department of the AFC, to which they just acted as a 'cash cow'. I hope those days are gone.
By holding elections the trust just creates inexperience,
get rid of that process, and let HJ get on with it. He doesn't need an official opposition, or even a watchdog. To me we need to get rid of that sort of mentality completely, it achieves absolutely nothing apart from lack of trust. If we can't back him, not necessarily with money as there will be few members anyway, back his vision. If the trust doesn't see that we have an opportunity here to move forward without elections, then get rid of the trust.

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With inexperience comes a fresh outlook with different objectives, but without the ultimate responsibility for the club's survival. HJ has invested in the AFC, not the trust. I daresay if he wanted a bigger shareholding he could have got it for a bigger outlay. That would surely have resulted in the demise of the Trust. Doesn't seem to make any sense for an HJ acolyte, such as Curtis, to be in any way representing the trust.

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excessbee wrote: November 5th, 2023, 3:18 pm With inexperience comes a fresh outlook with different objectives, but without the ultimate responsibility for the club's survival. HJ has invested in the AFC, not the trust. I daresay if he wanted a bigger shareholding he could have got it for a bigger outlay. That would surely have resulted in the demise of the Trust. Doesn't seem to make any sense for an HJ acolyte, such as Curtis, to be in any way representing the trust.
In my view someone like Curtis has so much to offer the club, but he may not be interested, or may be part of HJ's plans anyway, who knows?

To clarify, what I am saying is get people with skills and experience that can work with HJ, not vote in people with neither, just for the sake of saying the trust has representation.

The shares that the trust will now own, should not by themselves give any meaningful representation, other than when it comes for HJ to sell up.

HJ in his governance model, indicated that he could ring fence trust funds, and that the trust would be a partner that he would engage on future investment. Further he would encourage individual shareholders to transfer shares to the trust.

To me, none of that actually means engage with the trust on anything other than how to spend trust money............

It's not an offer to decide how HJ spends money.
Therefore he is overseeing the process, not trust representatives overseeing HJ..........

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If you are reading this Robert Santwris (your County needs you), this is your chance, we need you to represent The Trust on the Board of Directors. Don't listen to people like Chris Davies, or Bangitintrnet they do not understand what Newport County mean to us true fans.

I'm sure lots of people are wondering the same as myself about Chris Davies, he became a member of this Forum in June this year just when the rumor started about Huw Jenkins. Both Chris Davies (he is definitely plotting something), and Bangitintrnet have an agenda.

Chris Davies might be a really nice person, but do we need someone like that representing the fans?

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Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 7:49 pm If you are reading this Robert Santwris (your County needs you), this is your chance, we need you to represent The Trust on the Board of Directors. Don't listen to people like Chris Davies, or Bangitintrnet they do not understand what Newport County mean to us true fans.

I'm sure lots of people are wondering the same as myself about Chris Davies, he became a member of this Forum in June this year just when the rumor started about Huw Jenkins. Both Chris Davies (he is definitely plotting something), and Bangitintrnet have an agenda.

Chris Davies might be a really nice person, but do we need someone like that representing the fans?
Rob Santrwis has resigned from everything he has ever been put forward for.

He is exactly the sort of individual that wouldn't be of assistance to HJ or the club, same as Stan, and represent exactly what is wrong with voting in the popular. See Boris Johnson...................

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Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 7:49 pm If you are reading this Robert Santwris (your County needs you), this is your chance, we need you to represent The Trust on the Board of Directors. Don't listen to people like Chris Davies, or Bangitintrnet they do not understand what Newport County mean to us true fans.

I'm sure lots of people are wondering the same as myself about Chris Davies, he became a member of this Forum in June this year just when the rumor started about Huw Jenkins. Both Chris Davies (he is definitely plotting something), and Bangitintrnet have an agenda.

Chris Davies might be a really nice person, but do we need someone like that representing the fans?
I have to jump to my own defence. If you read my originating post you will clearly see that I describe it as a "contribution to the debate" and I also made it clear in that debate that I am very much in favour of a Trust. I have previously posted why the Trust is well worth retaining.

If I have an agenda, that agenda is to see a strong and very independent Trust that does work as an important partner to HJ and is focused on supporting the AFC.

The timing of my joining this forum arises from three things. The first is that I did not relocate to this country until October of last year, so until that time I was not able to realistically participate in affairs of the Club. The second thing is that I started to post on FB but was then advised to also post on this forum. The third thing is that significant issues affecting the Trust and the AFC did not arise until about June.

As to being a true fan, I was born and bred in Newport and first started to watch the County in 1966. I don't know how you judge a "true fan" but all I can say is that before my return, I followed all the County's matches on follow and immediately on my return bought a season ticket and joined the Trust

I do not hide behind a pseudonym and I have always been honest with you including fully answering your questions, which have sometimes been personal in their nature.

Actually, a number of people both publicly and privately have asked me to stand for election as a Trust Director, if an opportunity arises. I am therefore assuming that some people do want me representing the fans.

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Chris Davis wrote: November 5th, 2023, 8:22 pm
Torquay Exile wrote: November 5th, 2023, 7:49 pm If you are reading this Robert Santwris (your County needs you), this is your chance, we need you to represent The Trust on the Board of Directors. Don't listen to people like Chris Davies, or Bangitintrnet they do not understand what Newport County mean to us true fans.

I'm sure lots of people are wondering the same as myself about Chris Davies, he became a member of this Forum in June this year just when the rumor started about Huw Jenkins. Both Chris Davies (he is definitely plotting something), and Bangitintrnet have an agenda.

Chris Davies might be a really nice person, but do we need someone like that representing the fans?
I have to jump to my own defence. If you read my originating post you will clearly see that I describe it as a "contribution to the debate" and I also made it clear in that debate that I am very much in favour of a Trust. I have previously posted why the Trust is well worth retaining.

If I have an agenda, that agenda is to see a strong and very independent Trust that does work as an important partner to HJ and is focused on supporting the AFC.

The timing of my joining this forum arises from three things. The first is that I did not relocate to this country until October of last year, so until that time I was not able to realistically participate in affairs of the Club. The second thing is that I started to post on FB but was then advised to also post on this forum. The third thing is that significant issues affecting the Trust and the AFC did not arise until about June.

As to being a true fan, I was born and bred in Newport and first started to watch the County in 1966. I don't know how you judge a "true fan" but all I can say is that before my return, I followed all the County's matches on follow and immediately on my return bought a season ticket and joined the Trust

I do not hide behind a pseudonym and I have always been honest with you including fully answering your questions, which have sometimes been personal in their nature.

Actually, a number of people both publicly and privately have asked me to stand for election as a Trust Director, if an opportunity arises. I am therefore assuming that some people do want me representing the fans.
Very well said

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