Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 9:19 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 7:22 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 9th, 2023, 6:39 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 2:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 9th, 2023, 1:29 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 7th, 2023, 4:57 pm

It's a choice that the trust made to try and get more income. Now, today, its an enforced change, due to the other clubs spending ability. If you choose to do something to build up cash, it's simply a management decision.

The key thing is that the owners made the decision for the trust, when it was evident that there would be a structural deficit at the end of the season that couldn't be met. It was not the case that existing debt was the driver as has been continually suggested. The proof is in the fact we are not in court battling for survival, a full six months on from those telling us that the club were liars, and we were in debt.

Whether that is true or not, it still says that the finances were bailed out by the cup runs. You may remember us having a negative balance sheet in each of 2016, 2017 and 2018 which then needed bailing out. The cup runs did that and more before who knows what happened in 2022 because nobody has been able to or willing to tell us.

Let's put it this way, the directors of the club realised that the club could not go up automatically, as we didn't have the finances to compete. Flynn had shown that he could run the team in a way that might not be successful over a full season, but over 10 games could treat each as a cup game.

Now I know you don't think that Padraig Amond signed late in the window due to co opted directors underwriting his contract, but to me that was the gamble that the club had to take. It was a management policy decision and they left everything up to Flynn.

Obviously that worked very successfully to start with, but hit the buffers in Covid. We know we lost money as did all clubs, but what we didn't have, that other clubs have, is backers that will absorb losses. Its clear that those losses happened before the 2022 accounts, but weren't shown. As the accounts passed through a number of professionals, that is more **** up than anything else.
There is no beneficiary in these situations, so blaming serves no purpose. The simple fact is that by gambling on a cup mentality that the club needed to progress via the playoffs, brought with it cup success and money. That's a change in management style that delivered, and then ultimately failed to deliver and replace the rapidly dwindling pot.

When GC states in the Argus that he doesn't have a strong enough squad to compete in the league and the cup, you understand why. He is stating the clubs priority is purely the league, and we all understand why.

Lots of words that equate to the cup runs bailed out the club

If you believe that the club shouldn't ever run a deficit by the end of the season, as you seem to do, then we would be playing non league football.

If we were in substantial debt before the cup runs then we wouldn't have made any money, as then the cup money would have paid off the debt. That is bailing out, but we made lots of money, simple as.....................

We were in debt. The cup money was more than the debt. It bailed us out of that debt and gave us a surplus to cover future losses.

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 9:19 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 7:22 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 9th, 2023, 6:39 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 2:26 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 9th, 2023, 1:29 pm

Whether that is true or not, it still says that the finances were bailed out by the cup runs. You may remember us having a negative balance sheet in each of 2016, 2017 and 2018 which then needed bailing out. The cup runs did that and more before who knows what happened in 2022 because nobody has been able to or willing to tell us.

Let's put it this way, the directors of the club realised that the club could not go up automatically, as we didn't have the finances to compete. Flynn had shown that he could run the team in a way that might not be successful over a full season, but over 10 games could treat each as a cup game.

Now I know you don't think that Padraig Amond signed late in the window due to co opted directors underwriting his contract, but to me that was the gamble that the club had to take. It was a management policy decision and they left everything up to Flynn.

Obviously that worked very successfully to start with, but hit the buffers in Covid. We know we lost money as did all clubs, but what we didn't have, that other clubs have, is backers that will absorb losses. Its clear that those losses happened before the 2022 accounts, but weren't shown. As the accounts passed through a number of professionals, that is more **** up than anything else.
There is no beneficiary in these situations, so blaming serves no purpose. The simple fact is that by gambling on a cup mentality that the club needed to progress via the playoffs, brought with it cup success and money. That's a change in management style that delivered, and then ultimately failed to deliver and replace the rapidly dwindling pot.

When GC states in the Argus that he doesn't have a strong enough squad to compete in the league and the cup, you understand why. He is stating the clubs priority is purely the league, and we all understand why.

Lots of words that equate to the cup runs bailed out the club

If you believe that the club shouldn't ever run a deficit by the end of the season, as you seem to do, then we would be playing non league football.

If we were in substantial debt before the cup runs then we wouldn't have made any money, as then the cup money would have paid off the debt. That is bailing out, but we made lots of money, simple as.....................

We were in debt. The cup money was more than the debt. It bailed us out of that debt and gave us a surplus to cover future losses.

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 9:19 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 7:22 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 9th, 2023, 6:39 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 2:26 pm

Let's put it this way, the directors of the club realised that the club could not go up automatically, as we didn't have the finances to compete. Flynn had shown that he could run the team in a way that might not be successful over a full season, but over 10 games could treat each as a cup game.

Now I know you don't think that Padraig Amond signed late in the window due to co opted directors underwriting his contract, but to me that was the gamble that the club had to take. It was a management policy decision and they left everything up to Flynn.

Obviously that worked very successfully to start with, but hit the buffers in Covid. We know we lost money as did all clubs, but what we didn't have, that other clubs have, is backers that will absorb losses. Its clear that those losses happened before the 2022 accounts, but weren't shown. As the accounts passed through a number of professionals, that is more **** up than anything else.
There is no beneficiary in these situations, so blaming serves no purpose. The simple fact is that by gambling on a cup mentality that the club needed to progress via the playoffs, brought with it cup success and money. That's a change in management style that delivered, and then ultimately failed to deliver and replace the rapidly dwindling pot.

When GC states in the Argus that he doesn't have a strong enough squad to compete in the league and the cup, you understand why. He is stating the clubs priority is purely the league, and we all understand why.

Lots of words that equate to the cup runs bailed out the club

If you believe that the club shouldn't ever run a deficit by the end of the season, as you seem to do, then we would be playing non league football.

If we were in substantial debt before the cup runs then we wouldn't have made any money, as then the cup money would have paid off the debt. That is bailing out, but we made lots of money, simple as.....................

We were in debt. The cup money was more than the debt. It bailed us out of that debt and gave us a surplus to cover future losses.

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 9:19 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 7:22 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 9th, 2023, 6:39 pm

Lots of words that equate to the cup runs bailed out the club

If you believe that the club shouldn't ever run a deficit by the end of the season, as you seem to do, then we would be playing non league football.

If we were in substantial debt before the cup runs then we wouldn't have made any money, as then the cup money would have paid off the debt. That is bailing out, but we made lots of money, simple as.....................

We were in debt. The cup money was more than the debt. It bailed us out of that debt and gave us a surplus to cover future losses.

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

KingOfGwent wrote: November 11th, 2023, 11:39 am Anyway, if you want a good laugh, have a look at the game selected to be shown on ITVX...

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 9:19 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 9th, 2023, 7:22 pm

If you believe that the club shouldn't ever run a deficit by the end of the season, as you seem to do, then we would be playing non league football.

If we were in substantial debt before the cup runs then we wouldn't have made any money, as then the cup money would have paid off the debt. That is bailing out, but we made lots of money, simple as.....................

We were in debt. The cup money was more than the debt. It bailed us out of that debt and gave us a surplus to cover future losses.

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

KingOfGwent wrote: November 11th, 2023, 11:39 am Anyway, if you want a good laugh, have a look at the game selected to be shown on ITVX...

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 9:19 am
We were in debt. The cup money was more than the debt. It bailed us out of that debt and gave us a surplus to cover future losses.

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 6:03 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 10:29 am

In the 2016 accounts is a note relating to profit and loss
2014-15 operating loss of £677k
2015-16 operating profit of £340k

The reason for the £1million turnaround was the sale of Regan Poole and Aaron Collins and sell on fees related to Connor Washington's transfer to QPR. That exceptional windfall income totalled £723k, so greater that our opperating loss the previous year.

It was management policy set up by the Les Scadding board which was the basis of the trust run clubs sustainability. It was the former Academy Manager Flynn, who decided that the supply of talent was not going to sustain the club, and then given free reign for a different approach.

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

We will have a trust for whatever purpose the members decide they want their trust to fulfil. Nobody will be forced to join.

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 6:03 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 11:57 am

I agree we were bailed out initially by transfers and later by cup runs and without both of which we'd be right in the shite.

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

We will have a trust for whatever purpose the members decide they want their trust to fulfil. Nobody will be forced to join.

That is exactly the point, the Trust needs new members to join for a purpose, not find reasons for existing members to keep up subscriptions.

Torquay Exile wrote: November 12th, 2023, 12:44 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 6:03 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 12:12 pm

Both were management decisions........

Your appraisal of management decisions is probably why I don't think that the trust can step up to the plate when HJ moves on, or be equal partners...........

As HJ himself said, "I know Newport in general is known for its negativity, I believe I can change that"

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

We will have a trust for whatever purpose the members decide they want their trust to fulfil. Nobody will be forced to join.

That is exactly the point, the Trust needs new members to join for a purpose, not find reasons for existing members to keep up subscriptions.

I myself, and many others have had lots of ideas on how the Trust could work in the long term. But you and others seem to want the trust to simply disappear. Why? I have asked myself many times, I have come up with many answers for which I would like share with everyone else. Then of course you will try and discredit me and others will do the same, all because you and the others have something to gain from the trust too just simply disappear from the scene.

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 12th, 2023, 6:44 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 12th, 2023, 12:44 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 6:03 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 7:52 pm

If they were management decisions, they were management decisions that bailed out the club.

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

We will have a trust for whatever purpose the members decide they want their trust to fulfil. Nobody will be forced to join.

That is exactly the point, the Trust needs new members to join for a purpose, not find reasons for existing members to keep up subscriptions.

I myself, and many others have had lots of ideas on how the Trust could work in the long term. But you and others seem to want the trust to simply disappear. Why? I have asked myself many times, I have come up with many answers for which I would like share with everyone else. Then of course you will try and discredit me and others will do the same, all because you and the others have something to gain from the trust too just simply disappear from the scene.

No person gains anything, but a struggling group like the supporters club, could be custodians of the NCAFC shares. There have been active groups in the past raising hundreds of thousands, such as the lifeline society, Bar Amber and the Over the bridge Exiles, that no longer have a purpose, and are no longer active.

If the trust doesn't see itself as now being under HJ's guidance, then it doesn't even have a purpose as a bridge to future supporters...........

Torquay Exile wrote: November 12th, 2023, 10:10 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 12th, 2023, 6:44 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 12th, 2023, 12:44 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 6:03 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:07 pm

That's simply laughable ..............

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

We will have a trust for whatever purpose the members decide they want their trust to fulfil. Nobody will be forced to join.

That is exactly the point, the Trust needs new members to join for a purpose, not find reasons for existing members to keep up subscriptions.

I myself, and many others have had lots of ideas on how the Trust could work in the long term. But you and others seem to want the trust to simply disappear. Why? I have asked myself many times, I have come up with many answers for which I would like share with everyone else. Then of course you will try and discredit me and others will do the same, all because you and the others have something to gain from the trust too just simply disappear from the scene.

No person gains anything, but a struggling group like the supporters club, could be custodians of the NCAFC shares. There have been active groups in the past raising hundreds of thousands, such as the lifeline society, Bar Amber and the Over the bridge Exiles, that no longer have a purpose, and are no longer active.

If the trust doesn't see itself as now being under HJ's guidance, then it doesn't even have a purpose as a bridge to future supporters...........

Give me, and others an example of how you think that Huw Jenkins, could guide The Trust in the right direction?

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 12th, 2023, 10:19 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 12th, 2023, 10:10 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 12th, 2023, 6:44 am

Torquay Exile wrote: November 12th, 2023, 12:44 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 8:06 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 6:03 pm

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 2:30 pm

Amberexile wrote: November 11th, 2023, 10:58 am

Bangitintrnet wrote: November 11th, 2023, 9:35 am

Amberexile wrote: November 10th, 2023, 8:21 pm

I'm glad that you finally agree. It was getting tedious.

What's very tedious, is the continuous line that the trust is only good for racking up debt and being bailed out. It simply isn't true, but by repeating the same line time and time again, it becomes folklore.

As HJ knows his biggest problem to surmount, is negativity.

I guess it might be tedious if it were true which of course it is not. I don't recall anybody saying that once, let alone it being continuous.

However, I do see one person repeatedly calling for the Trust to be closed down with indecent haste.

If you have people who want to run the trust on the basis of " I asked HJ wether the trust funds are crucial to his plans, because I have other ideas for that money" then it loses the connection with why people joined in the first place.
If there is no driver to join then it dies. What I don't want is HJ to believe, but the Trust membership to not believe. If that happens you end up with a membership believing that the trust is there simply to bail out when it goes pear shaped, which is the negativity that needs to cease if we are ever to progress. If people don't want to join with the obvious optimism of HJ, then why have a trust?

We will have a trust for whatever purpose the members decide they want their trust to fulfil. Nobody will be forced to join.

That is exactly the point, the Trust needs new members to join for a purpose, not find reasons for existing members to keep up subscriptions.

I myself, and many others have had lots of ideas on how the Trust could work in the long term. But you and others seem to want the trust to simply disappear. Why? I have asked myself many times, I have come up with many answers for which I would like share with everyone else. Then of course you will try and discredit me and others will do the same, all because you and the others have something to gain from the trust too just simply disappear from the scene.

No person gains anything, but a struggling group like the supporters club, could be custodians of the NCAFC shares. There have been active groups in the past raising hundreds of thousands, such as the lifeline society, Bar Amber and the Over the bridge Exiles, that no longer have a purpose, and are no longer active.

If the trust doesn't see itself as now being under HJ's guidance, then it doesn't even have a purpose as a bridge to future supporters...........

Give me, and others an example of how you think that Huw Jenkins, could guide The Trust in the right direction?

You are aware of HJ and Swansea, and how he got everyone on board, and singing from the same songsheet. It's as simple as everyone believing that something big is happening, and people wanting to be part of it. It has to be driven by someone everyone knows has done it before.

The alternative is no no, we know best...........